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Yahoo Sports: 'The Clear' was legal

Posted on 1/15/09 at 7:29 am
Posted by Augustus
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2006
8290 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 7:29 am
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Taking the Clear – the star drug of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative – was not a crime, according to expert testimony included in grand jury documents.


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Not only was the performance-enhancing drug tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) not specifically banned when athletes squirted “The Clear” under their tongues to gain an edge, the testimony also indicates that the drug wasn’t categorized by the Justice Department as a steroid until January 2005, long after the drug laboratory had been shuttered.


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Thoughts?
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
61956 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 7:38 am to
illegality seems to be most people's only problem with it--otherwise, it's no different that creatine or protein or whatno
Posted by MrKennedy
Yes
Member since May 2008
19124 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 7:44 am to
none of which were against baseball's rules when they were prevalent.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51293 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 8:11 am to
neither was andro.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42056 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 8:30 am to
I really don't care whether or not athletes roid up. It's their bodies that they frick up. Plus an added bonus was that it was mostly MLB players, which we all know I could give two dirty whores about.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:00 am to
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Plus an added bonus was that it was mostly MLB players


Bull. Anyone who thinks NFL players aren't doped up is either in denial or a complete idiot. It's just that we only care about baseball's doping for some odd reason.

And people's biggest problem with the Clear is not that it was illegal, it was that Barry Bonds used it and people hate Barry bonds. This has no effect on people's opinion. Andro was legal and McGwire is a pariah for using it. And we kind of liked McGwire.
Posted by Augustus
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2006
8290 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:07 am to
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And people's biggest problem with the Clear is not that it was illegal, it was that Barry Bonds used it and people hate Barry bonds. This has no effect on people's opinion. Andro was legal and McGwire is a pariah for using it. And we kind of liked McGwire.

But wasn't the whole "asterisk" thing due to him using what they thought was an illegal substance? (Honest question, I don't keep up with baseball enough to know)
This post was edited on 1/15/09 at 10:07 am
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:22 am to
Bonds has never failed a drug test. The asterisk thing is because Bonds is an unlikeable misanthrope and people are latching on a way to bash him.

I'm not saying Bonds didn't use steroids, I think he probably did, but there is no piece of hard evidence which would justify a formal sanction from baseball itself.
Posted by MilliDollaMoufPiece
Member since Jan 2009
31 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:24 am to
There isn't a single athlete around that is more unjustly scrutinized than Barry. If he would kiss arse to the media they wouldn't do him wrong like they do.
Posted by Michael J Cocks
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Member since Jun 2007
47156 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:26 am to
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illegality seems to be most people's only problem with it--otherwise, it's no different that creatine or protein or whatnot



exactly, you can't really blame someone in a physically competitive field for finding an edge, especially when it isn't deemed "illegal". JMHO.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:32 am to
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Bonds has never failed a drug test. The asterisk thing is because Bonds is an unlikeable misanthrope and people are latching on a way to bash him.

I'm not saying Bonds didn't use steroids, I think he probably did, but there is no piece of hard evidence which would justify a formal sanction from baseball itself.




+ ONE!
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22603 posts
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:43 am to
I wish they would allow all professional athletes to take anything they want to get better. If roids can make them hit a ball further or hit another player harder, then I'm for it. After all, aren't they out there for the fans entertainment anyway. Who gives a crap what happens to them after their career.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
86586 posts
Posted on 1/20/09 at 1:24 am to
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On Oct. 23, 2003, just a few weeks before Bonds testified, prosecutor Jeff Nedrow questioned Catlin before the grand jury.

Nedrow: “There is actually a list promulgated in the federal criminal code of several steroids which are outright prohibited. Is that correct?”

Catlin: “Yes.”

Nedrow: “Is THG on that list in the federal code?”

Catlin: “No.”

Two months later – after most of the 30 some athletes had testified – Novitzky addressed the grand jury. Nedrow asked him about Catlin’s response when asked whether the Clear, beyond being a substance banned by most sports, was “actually an anabolic steroid?”

Novitzky: “He said it was another matter when looking at federal criminal law and the problem that you run into there is there’s a certain amount of steroids that are listed under criminal law that say: Hey, these substances are definitely steroids. And then there’s a catchall phrase that says if it’s not one of these substances, then if you can say pharmacologically or chemically related to testosterone, which in this case THG is, and you also have to show that it enhances muscle growth in human beings.

“And that’s the problem that we’ve run into with THG and which Dr. Catlin testified to the grand jury, is that there’s never been any studies to show whether or not THG does, in fact, enhance muscle growth.”

If Novitzky’s understanding of the law is correct, the fact that no studies had been done on the substance meant that possessing or taking THG was not a crime. However, the FDA announced Oct. 28, 2003, that THG was “an unapproved new drug” and could not be “legally marketed without FDA approval.”

Major news organizations announced that the FDA had ruled THG an illegal steroid. But all the FDA had done was to rule that THG was not a dietary supplement and therefore could not be legally marketed without FDA approval.

Novitzky and Catlin had already testified that the testing on humans necessary to determine THG’s legal status had never been performed.




BOOM
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64471 posts
Posted on 1/20/09 at 7:05 am to
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And people's biggest problem with the Clear is not that it was illegal, it was that Barry Bonds used it and people hate Barry bonds.


People hate the fact that Bonds went from hitting 30 hr's a year for about 10 years of his MLB career, to using performance enhancing drugs and then he averaged about 65 HR's over the next few years (I don't know the exact numbers but he did become the greatest hitter ever after he began using).

Baseball people love their records, and the fact that the steroid boom destroyed the record book upsets people.

Mark McGwire was treated the same way, but he ducked out of the public eye before passing the all-time marks of some of baseball's most beloved players. Bonds has passed it just to rub people's face in it. Bonds has no respect for guys like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14493 posts
Posted on 1/20/09 at 9:36 am to
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Bonds has never failed a drug test.


Did he take any drug tests? When was testing implemented?

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After all, aren't they out there for the fans entertainment anyway. Who gives a crap what happens to them after their career.


Argument is that it will lead to kids/parents doing this, too. Along with the fact that it's illegal.
This post was edited on 1/20/09 at 9:40 am
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