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Unless there is major structural change, there is no point in being excited about trades
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:07 am
Or the draft, or anything.
This era, and the previous era, were both failures despite having some good players.
We had the #1 pick with AD and had more success than we are having now, but it was still a failure. We had the #1 pick with Zion and its a complete disaster despite some solid drafting.
Gayle is running a failing Saints franchise and a failing Pelicans franchise.
She isn't going anywhere anytime soon (hopefully).
She has to change the entire Front Office, how it operates, the Coaching staff, etc.
There has to be a top to bottom change in this org, with REAL, accomplished, serious basketball people all over the place, or its doomed again and again. We have to get some highly respected people here or its just laughingstock perennially
Vent off
This era, and the previous era, were both failures despite having some good players.
We had the #1 pick with AD and had more success than we are having now, but it was still a failure. We had the #1 pick with Zion and its a complete disaster despite some solid drafting.
Gayle is running a failing Saints franchise and a failing Pelicans franchise.
She isn't going anywhere anytime soon (hopefully).
She has to change the entire Front Office, how it operates, the Coaching staff, etc.
There has to be a top to bottom change in this org, with REAL, accomplished, serious basketball people all over the place, or its doomed again and again. We have to get some highly respected people here or its just laughingstock perennially
Vent off
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:16 am to Fun Bunch
Really just think we need a star player who gives a frick
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:19 am to Fun Bunch
Maybe if we actually did a slow rebuild and built through the draft instead of constantly trying to accelerate the timeline we MIGHT get a different result.
Look if Dolan can finally get the Knicks to be a winning team, any owner can. But I agree Griffin needs to be fired first
Look if Dolan can finally get the Knicks to be a winning team, any owner can. But I agree Griffin needs to be fired first
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 9:21 am
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:25 am to Fun Bunch
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She isn't going anywhere anytime soon (hopefully).
Why is this a good thing? Just because she is local?
There are many owners that own teams in other cities that they live. I am sure most own many homes, so they live in different areas seasonally. I just just don't see the advantage to having a detached owner that doesn't care about basketball that much. A new owner would change the whole culture, which is desperately needed..
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:33 am to brmark70816
A new owner would likely want to move the Pels elsewhere sooner rather than later.
An eventual Saints move could happen depending on the continued fan support and the fate of New Orleans.
An eventual Saints move could happen depending on the continued fan support and the fate of New Orleans.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:34 am to aswemajor
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Really just think we need a star player who gives a frick
This right here..
And a coach that doesn’t kiss players asses and knows more than tell guys to “Run!!! .5!!!”
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:36 am to brmark70816
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Why is this a good thing? Just because she is local?
Because there is a better than decent chance the Pelicans move. Louisiana is not flush with billionaires.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:37 am to Macintosh
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Maybe if we actually did a slow rebuild and built through the draft instead of constantly trying to accelerate the timeline we MIGHT get a different result.
Rebuild through the draft is simply waiting to draft an all-star. You can either draft one with luck, or trade for one, but you aren't rebuilding anything until you get that one main star. And we already have 2 of those guys.
Are you under the impression we haven't drafted well in the last 4 years?
Herb (luck 2nd round sure fire starter)
Jose (undrafted quality backup)
Trey (signs hefty 2nd contract)
Dyson (netted us a former all-star in a trade)
Hawkins (Still looking good)
Missi (if we weren't so terrible, he might win ROTY)
Naji (didn't get to keep him, but a quality backup found undrafted)
How many teams have drafted 3 guys who are starters on most teams, 3 quality backups, and our current rookie who looks like a long term starter in the nba, all in the last 4 years. And we already had 2 all-stars on the team to go with all these draft picks, as well as a guy who's going to go down as one of the best players to never make an all-star team.
This franchise has been full of talent the last 4 years, and have nothing to show for it.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:42 am to Fun Bunch
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We had the #1 pick with AD and had more success than we are having now, but it was still a failure. We had the #1 pick with Zion and its a complete disaster despite some solid drafting.
Both of these failures are for completely different reasons and had little to do with the org imo.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:48 am to aswemajor
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Really just think we need a star player who gives a frick
It’s amazing that both our #1 picks have been soft betas. CP3 was probably the last star leader we had which is why we had some success with him.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:50 am to BigPerm30
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It’s amazing that both our #1 picks have been soft betas. CP3 was probably the last star leader we had which is why we had some success with him.
Exactly. And Chris would've stayed here if George shinn wasn't a complete piece of shite
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:52 am to whatiknowsofar
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Both of these failures are for completely different reasons and had little to do with the org imo.
The org is seen as a league wide joke.
We need people that command respect.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
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The org is seen as a league wide joke.
Moreso due to absolutely awful injury luck than anything else.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:55 am to whatiknowsofar
It goes well beyond that. We don't just get clowned on for "injury luck"
We need massive change, and we need people in charge that are seen as serious, respected basketball people
We need massive change, and we need people in charge that are seen as serious, respected basketball people
Posted on 12/16/24 at 9:58 am to whatiknowsofar
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Moreso due to absolutely awful injury luck than anything else.
We have to be doing something wrong with their training and conditioning. Freak accidents happen but for years we have never been healthy. I don’t think it’s statistically possible to be that “unlucky”.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:14 am to Fun Bunch
If only they made a move for Udoka when his value was at it's lowest, we'd be in a different place culturally right now.
The team has literally taken the mentality of the headcoach and have become the softest bunch of cucks in the league.
These motherfrickers have gotten away with too much bullshite in the last 4 years since Green got here.
The team has literally taken the mentality of the headcoach and have become the softest bunch of cucks in the league.
These motherfrickers have gotten away with too much bullshite in the last 4 years since Green got here.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:39 am to Fun Bunch
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It goes well beyond that. We don't just get clowned on for "injury luck"
We need massive change, and we need people in charge that are seen as serious, respected basketball people
We constantly look small and meek next to other nba teams. Makes you wonder if they even lift enough.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:45 am to supe12sta12z
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The team has literally taken the mentality of the headcoach and have become the softest bunch of cucks in the league.
Man maybe I'm just seeing things different, but we say and all know this is a players league.
The coach only has a small amount of impact on winning. If your top 2 guys can't stay healthy you're gonna loose a lot of fricking games. And we had 7 of our top 8 out for a long time. Stars and superstars win games, not coaches. See Coach Pop during vs the post Duncan Era...
Willie and Griff are not the problem. They are fine, but have run into an unlucky stretch. They will probably end up being the scapegoats, but Zion is the fricking problem. If he was healthy all year, Willie and Griffs jobs wouldn't be in question.
Without Zion but with the rest of the team relatively healthy, we're a low end playoff team. With Zion plus the rest of the team unhealthy, we're a bottom 5 team. With the whole team healthy we're a top 4-6 seed.
All of those scenarios are player dependent. Not coach dependent.
Maybe we do need some fresh blood, but Willie has been the best performing coach we've had since Monty.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:50 am to aswemajor
Coaches have more impact than given credit for. Not every team will have all world talent to out talent teams night in and night out.
Schemes, game planning, development, in game management, and rotations can be the difference between winning and losing.
Look at the Rockets and Orlando this year. They are absolutely well coached and winning games with good coaching.
Schemes, game planning, development, in game management, and rotations can be the difference between winning and losing.
Look at the Rockets and Orlando this year. They are absolutely well coached and winning games with good coaching.
Posted on 12/16/24 at 10:50 am to Fun Bunch
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Because there is a better than decent chance the Pelicans move. Louisiana is not flush with billionaires
So we intentionally want to support a losing situation, just to keep the team local?
That is just sad and doesn't make sense. When teams go up for sale, it's to the highest bidder. If NO wants to keep a team, it needs to step up. Better arena, tv deals, the works.. if it moves, it moves.
I'm a lifelong Redskin fan. When the team went up for sale, they didn't go for a "local" guy. It went to the best package. The new owner also owns a team in Philly and New Jersey. He supposedly lives in Maryland. But he bought a home in Florida for over 30M a few years back. Billionaires aren't bound by geography..
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