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Argentina is making South American style socialism look bad.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:20 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:20 am
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Argentina’s Economy Ministry announced Friday that the public sector had a AR$523.4 billion financial surplus in October — the ninth consecutive month in which the national government registered a positive fiscal balance. Javier Milei, who campaigned on building surpluses, has been able to achieve his aims by enacting abrupt and often draconian austerity measures.
The primary fiscal balance represents the difference between a government’s revenues and its expenditures, whereas the financial balance constitutes that difference plus net interest payments on public debt. The government secured surpluses for each.
“This compares to a financial deficit for the same month of 2023 of AR$454 billion, which is equivalent to AR$1.3 trillion pesos adjusted for inflation,” Economy Minister Luis Caputo posted on X. “In other words, the difference in financial results versus October 2023 is AR$1.8 trillion.”
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A report by the Center of Argentine Political Economy (CEPA) found that between January and September of this year, 25.3% of the adjustment in state expenditure could be attributed to cuts to retirement benefits in the form of payments failing to keep pace with higher costs of living. The report added that Milei modified the pension update formula by tying it to inflation, which meant that retirees and pensioners “would not lose purchasing power, but neither would they be able to recover.”
Economist Martín Vauthier said the “financial surplus was achieved through a sustainable program” in an X post shared by Caputo.
“It includes a sharp reduction in government structural expenses and outlays that do not correspond to the [national administration’s] functions,” he added.
This article is a month old but according to X and reddit Argentina had another budget surplus in November and will end 2024 with a budget surplus. Argentina is the only South American country to have a budget surplus in many years. Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:22 am to WeeWee
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Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.
I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
The TDS always wins with you 
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.
I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
I give you DOGE.
I hope it works.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
frick. You.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to SDVTiger
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The TDS always wins with you
It's not TDS. I said I wish he would do what Millei did.
This is what we're getting instead
What's the issue with that comment about Trump within the context of OP and what I quoted?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.
I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
He has. That is why he is creating DOGE to develop a plan to downsizing the government and improving its performance.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not TDS.
Of course its not
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to PsychTiger
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I give you DOGE.
DOGE is a nothingburger in the big picture. You could cut all of that spending to $0 and it wouldn't change much. Just not enough money to fix things.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:26 am to WeeWee
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That is why he is creating DOGE to develop a plan to downsizing the government and improving its performance.
DOGE can't fix anything structurally. Not enough spending.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 8:27 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:27 am to WeeWee
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
holy shite the TDS
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:29 am to Gifman
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holy shite the TDS
It's not TDS.
There is nothing deranged about wanting to legitimately attack our debt-deficit issues with more than virtue signaling.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. You are being rather nihilistic today.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
When you say this I know you are saying this in context of SS and Trump saying that there will be no cuts to SS.
Let me explain something.
No cuts to social security ensures the government does not grow in other areas. Social security is funded with payroll taxes. In 2022 the federal government collected 1.7 trillion in payroll taxes. Social security outlays were 1.2 trillion. Social security is more than sustainable at the current level of federal government payroll tax revenue. Payroll taxes are supposed to come back to the people that earned it not grow the federal government.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:36 am to PsychTiger
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So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Y
Uh no. That's a straw man.
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Military
If you're not slashing those 4 programs, you're not making a real difference.
Trump has promised to protect/expand 3/4 of those spending programs.
Our non-military discretionary spending is less than $1T while our deficit is almost double that. You can cut that to $0 and we're still running a deficit and adding to the debt while interest on the current debt adds more each year. That interest may actually grow larger than the non-military discretionary spending by 2025 or so.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:39 am to GumboPot
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No cuts to social security ensures the government does not grow in other areas. Social security is funded with payroll taxes. In 2022 the federal government collected 1.7 trillion in payroll taxes. Social security outlays were 1.2 trillion. Social security is more than sustainable at the current level of federal government payroll tax revenue.
We have to maintain those taxes without the outlays and move non-discretionary spending into the big pot while maintaining their tax structure.
It sucks, but that's what we have to do at this point if we want to tackle the deficit/debt.
We can't grow our economy at a scale to fix this.
We can't cut non-military, non-discretionary spending at a scale to fix this.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:43 am to SDVTiger
He could have said every one in DC and half the country. But he singled out one person to get the reaction he desires so much.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:44 am to goatmilker
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He could have said every one in DC and half the country. But he singled out one person to get the reaction he desires so much.
Exactly. Yet TDS had nothing to do with it
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not TDS.
There is nothing deranged about wanting to legitimately attack our debt-deficit issues with more than virtue signaling.
So you can derail threads, but get pissed when others do? Got it.
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