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Argentina is making South American style socialism look bad.

Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:20 am
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:20 am
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Argentina’s Economy Ministry announced Friday that the public sector had a AR$523.4 billion financial surplus in October — the ninth consecutive month in which the national government registered a positive fiscal balance. Javier Milei, who campaigned on building surpluses, has been able to achieve his aims by enacting abrupt and often draconian austerity measures.

The primary fiscal balance represents the difference between a government’s revenues and its expenditures, whereas the financial balance constitutes that difference plus net interest payments on public debt. The government secured surpluses for each.

“This compares to a financial deficit for the same month of 2023 of AR$454 billion, which is equivalent to AR$1.3 trillion pesos adjusted for inflation,” Economy Minister Luis Caputo posted on X. “In other words, the difference in financial results versus October 2023 is AR$1.8 trillion.”


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A report by the Center of Argentine Political Economy (CEPA) found that between January and September of this year, 25.3% of the adjustment in state expenditure could be attributed to cuts to retirement benefits in the form of payments failing to keep pace with higher costs of living. The report added that Milei modified the pension update formula by tying it to inflation, which meant that retirees and pensioners “would not lose purchasing power, but neither would they be able to recover.”

Economist Martín Vauthier said the “financial surplus was achieved through a sustainable program” in an X post shared by Caputo.

“It includes a sharp reduction in government structural expenses and outlays that do not correspond to the [national administration’s] functions,” he added.
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This article is a month old but according to X and reddit Argentina had another budget surplus in November and will end 2024 with a budget surplus. Argentina is the only South American country to have a budget surplus in many years. Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:22 am to
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Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.


I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:23 am to
The TDS always wins with you
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
106664 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:24 am to
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Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.


I wish Trump would learn this lesson.


I give you DOGE.

I hope it works.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:24 am to
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.


frick. You.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to
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The TDS always wins with you


It's not TDS. I said I wish he would do what Millei did.

This is what we're getting instead

What's the issue with that comment about Trump within the context of OP and what I quoted?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43708 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to
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Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.


I wish Trump would learn this lesson.


He has. That is why he is creating DOGE to develop a plan to downsizing the government and improving its performance.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to
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It's not TDS.


Of course its not
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to
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I give you DOGE.


DOGE is a nothingburger in the big picture. You could cut all of that spending to $0 and it wouldn't change much. Just not enough money to fix things.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:26 am to
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That is why he is creating DOGE to develop a plan to downsizing the government and improving its performance.

DOGE can't fix anything structurally. Not enough spending.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 8:27 am
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:27 am to
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
16801 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:28 am to
quote:

I wish Trump would learn this lesson.



holy shite the TDS
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:29 am to
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holy shite the TDS


It's not TDS.

There is nothing deranged about wanting to legitimately attack our debt-deficit issues with more than virtue signaling.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
106664 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:30 am to
So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. You are being rather nihilistic today.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:33 am to
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.


When you say this I know you are saying this in context of SS and Trump saying that there will be no cuts to SS.

Let me explain something.

No cuts to social security ensures the government does not grow in other areas. Social security is funded with payroll taxes. In 2022 the federal government collected 1.7 trillion in payroll taxes. Social security outlays were 1.2 trillion. Social security is more than sustainable at the current level of federal government payroll tax revenue. Payroll taxes are supposed to come back to the people that earned it not grow the federal government.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:36 am to
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So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Y

Uh no. That's a straw man.

Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Military

If you're not slashing those 4 programs, you're not making a real difference.

Trump has promised to protect/expand 3/4 of those spending programs.



Our non-military discretionary spending is less than $1T while our deficit is almost double that. You can cut that to $0 and we're still running a deficit and adding to the debt while interest on the current debt adds more each year. That interest may actually grow larger than the non-military discretionary spending by 2025 or so.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
463653 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:39 am to
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No cuts to social security ensures the government does not grow in other areas. Social security is funded with payroll taxes. In 2022 the federal government collected 1.7 trillion in payroll taxes. Social security outlays were 1.2 trillion. Social security is more than sustainable at the current level of federal government payroll tax revenue.

We have to maintain those taxes without the outlays and move non-discretionary spending into the big pot while maintaining their tax structure.

It sucks, but that's what we have to do at this point if we want to tackle the deficit/debt.

We can't grow our economy at a scale to fix this.

We can't cut non-military, non-discretionary spending at a scale to fix this.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
73651 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:43 am to
He could have said every one in DC and half the country. But he singled out one person to get the reaction he desires so much.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92290 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:44 am to
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He could have said every one in DC and half the country. But he singled out one person to get the reaction he desires so much.


Exactly. Yet TDS had nothing to do with it
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
16801 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:45 am to
quote:

It's not TDS.

There is nothing deranged about wanting to legitimately attack our debt-deficit issues with more than virtue signaling.


So you can derail threads, but get pissed when others do? Got it.
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