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Rattler or Haener to finish the season?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:02 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:02 am
Rattler didn't give us much with his opportunity early in the season, but has more upside. Haener clearly ain't it but deserves a shot. Who ya got?
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:34 am to chambers538
You give it to whoever is mentally the better backup. Don't discount a quality backup who helps your starter prepare and is another set of eyes on the sideline for him as well. Now giving him on field reps helps him see things better too.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:53 am to chambers538
If you really want to evaluate these two kids then you treat the remaining games like preseason. Give each player a half and let them go.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 7:56 am to Snipe
Sounds good, but you can't judge them with our current receiving group imo.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:09 am to chambers538
I believe Haener is the best option.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:23 am to chambers538
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Haener clearly ain't it but deserves a shot. Who ya got
Haener looked better and more comfortable than Rattler did his few games. I’d go with him rest of the season. Rattler had an extended look and lost every game.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:24 am to msstate7
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Sounds good, but you can't judge them with our current receiving group imo.
Why not? Everyone still judges Carr with these wideouts.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:25 am to msstate7
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Sounds good, but you can't judge them with our current receiving group imo.
Sure you can.
It's fairly easy to decipher if players are doing their jobs.
If the QB is making the right calls and delivering the ball well the end result matter less in his evaluation. Just like if he's one hopping balls and over throwing WR's it really doesn't' reflect bad on the WR's evaluation.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:28 am to Townedrunkard
Was McCoy out each time Rattler started? I’d like to see how he does with a little bit better protection. I actually like giving them both some time.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 8:51 am to Suntiger
I'd go Rattler and get him reps especially with a healthy O line finally. Haener is just check down city.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:08 am to Townedrunkard
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Haener looked better and more comfortable than Rattler did his few games. I’d go with him rest of the season. Rattler had an extended look and lost every game.
I’d like to see him at least get a half with the starting o line though.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:10 am to chambers538
quote:You said it right there, Rattler has more upside, so, easy decision, you go with him. Haener is a smallish kid who has a big heart, but big heart's don't win you games. Rattler has the big arm that scouts love, he just needs more game experience to get used to the NFL game. He should be fine then, and should start playing better, hopefully. I mean he should be the QB in the future for the Saints.
Rattler didn't give us much with his opportunity early in the season, but has more upside.
This post was edited on 12/9/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:11 am to Snipe
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It's fairly easy to decipher if players are doing their jobs.
If the QB is making the right calls and delivering the ball well the end result matter less in his evaluation. Just like if he's one hopping balls and over throwing WR's it really doesn't' reflect bad on the WR's evaluation.
This. We cannot fairly judge the QB based off of their play considering the available weapons and the remaining schedule. But the coaches know what plays were called, what the checkdown options are, where the players are supposed to be, the preferred reads, the protection setups....
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:14 am to tucoco
I don't think he will be the future, but I also would not rule him out for games from 2 months ago. He was able to get thrown to the fire, had some great plays and some bad plays, then had 2 months to sit back and watch/learn/study... If the coaching staff believes he has any chance to be the future, I think you have to give him another shot and see if he was able to progress from those 3 games and 6-7 weeks to mentally prepare for that next shot.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:27 am to chambers538
Rattler still gives you best chance to win any game. For comparison's sake at Rattler's current stage, think of him like Winston, he'll make some beautiful throws but also probably have some more rookie mistakes & turnovers from forcing balls into coverage and loosely holding onto the ball too long in the pocket. Rattler looked far from great when he got starts earlier this year, but that was also with a make-shift o-line. Even though rookie Rattler has limitations, Kubiak really disappointed me during those games by not adjusting, especially after half time which is something he's struggled with all year long even with Carr. We still don't have our #1 & #2 WRs but with our starting 5 o-line we should be able to operate the offense better this go around
Haener has not had much live action, so it's hard to completely judge him just like its hard to completely judge Rattler, but again it comes down to Haener's lack of arm strength for me. He cannot threaten the ball downfield so D will play up force him dump the ball off to RB & TEs for -2 to +2 yard gains for quick 3 & outs. D playing up with no threat of deep ball also will kill any chance of us getting a run game going.
Haener has not had much live action, so it's hard to completely judge him just like its hard to completely judge Rattler, but again it comes down to Haener's lack of arm strength for me. He cannot threaten the ball downfield so D will play up force him dump the ball off to RB & TEs for -2 to +2 yard gains for quick 3 & outs. D playing up with no threat of deep ball also will kill any chance of us getting a run game going.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 9:53 am to chambers538
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Rattler didn't give us much with his opportunity early in the season, but has more upside. Haener clearly ain't it but deserves a shot. Who ya got?
I think the main difference you saw is what Rattler was asked to do and how much exposure he had to NFL-level defenses.
Haener has appeared in 7 games for the Saints and has only thrown 28 passes completing 14 of them. 1TD no picks. 10 carries for 15 yards no TDs no first downs
Rattler has appeared in 3 games for the Saints and has thrown 99 passes completing 59 of them. 1 TD 2 picks. 9 carries for 61 yards no TDs 3 first downs.
I would go with Rattler but only because I think he is the better long term prospect of the two.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 10:05 am to Doug_H
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not adjusting, especially after half time
Most frustrating part of this season. Seems like the offense has a gameplan going into the game, and just rides with it for 60 minutes regardless of how effective it is. For all of his faults, DA was actually really good at making defensive adjustments at halftime, and since his termination that has now been a problem on that side of the ball.
Posted on 12/9/24 at 11:09 am to chambers538
I would rather see what Rattler could do.
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