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St. George tax: Vote NO for not yet
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:06 pm
Long time lurker, first time poster.
It has taken me awhile to listen and read enough about the tax to finally make a decision. I wanted to share my thoughts with anyone who is still undecided and open to another perspective. Unsurprisingly, this has become a very politically charged debate, when it is simply financial.
Tl;dr: vote no on the St. George tax tomorrow for the benefit of the long term success of the city
I live in St. George, I voted for St. George, and I want the city to excel. I am not a SWB plant (that is exactly what an SWB plant would say!). But voting no (for right now) is the correct decision tomorrow, and I encourage everyone else to vote the same.
All of these statements are easily researchable, but I am just trying to keep this simple and brief. Here is what I find most important:
1. The outcome of this vote does not impact the financial stability of St. George. By state law, St. George has until late in 2026 to get the city taxes finalized. There is no rush to get this done now. The “transfer/new tax” debate is irrelevant.
2. It doesn’t have to be 2%. The St. George budget needs a lot of work. Perhaps the tax number could be lower. Perhaps it needs to be higher. We don’t know yet. So let’s wait to find out.
3. For the most fiscally conservative among us, thanks to the state tax session, [if passed] all of our sales taxes are increasing (will be some of the highest in the country). St. George leaders say the current budget gives a surplus. Then keep our city taxes lower!
4. For the most pro-democracy among us, the current St. George leaders are all unelected. There is also no requirement or date set for St. George elections. So this is the only opportunity for your voice to be directly and democratically heard about a tax. And finally…
5. This tax is in perpetuity. Once passed, we never get a chance to vote on it again.
St. George is here to stay thus a “no” vote does not mean you are against St. George or that St. George is going to fail. A “no” vote just means no, for now, until we get some more necessary and important details sorted out first. There is plenty of blame to put on SWB and the City/Parish, but these concerns above are all specific to the St. George leadership to address.
Thoughts?
It has taken me awhile to listen and read enough about the tax to finally make a decision. I wanted to share my thoughts with anyone who is still undecided and open to another perspective. Unsurprisingly, this has become a very politically charged debate, when it is simply financial.
Tl;dr: vote no on the St. George tax tomorrow for the benefit of the long term success of the city
I live in St. George, I voted for St. George, and I want the city to excel. I am not a SWB plant (that is exactly what an SWB plant would say!). But voting no (for right now) is the correct decision tomorrow, and I encourage everyone else to vote the same.
All of these statements are easily researchable, but I am just trying to keep this simple and brief. Here is what I find most important:
1. The outcome of this vote does not impact the financial stability of St. George. By state law, St. George has until late in 2026 to get the city taxes finalized. There is no rush to get this done now. The “transfer/new tax” debate is irrelevant.
2. It doesn’t have to be 2%. The St. George budget needs a lot of work. Perhaps the tax number could be lower. Perhaps it needs to be higher. We don’t know yet. So let’s wait to find out.
3. For the most fiscally conservative among us, thanks to the state tax session, [if passed] all of our sales taxes are increasing (will be some of the highest in the country). St. George leaders say the current budget gives a surplus. Then keep our city taxes lower!
4. For the most pro-democracy among us, the current St. George leaders are all unelected. There is also no requirement or date set for St. George elections. So this is the only opportunity for your voice to be directly and democratically heard about a tax. And finally…
5. This tax is in perpetuity. Once passed, we never get a chance to vote on it again.
St. George is here to stay thus a “no” vote does not mean you are against St. George or that St. George is going to fail. A “no” vote just means no, for now, until we get some more necessary and important details sorted out first. There is plenty of blame to put on SWB and the City/Parish, but these concerns above are all specific to the St. George leadership to address.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:11 pm to TooncesAndOmar
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Thoughts?
You are incorrect. The tax remains in place... do you want your funds to go to St. George or not? That's the issue. Where the funds that you pay in to go. If you live in St. George, why would you NOT want them to go to St. George?
Would be like me, living in Germantown and voting for our city portion of the Sales Tax to go to Memphis or Shelby County. Which would be... dumb.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:11 pm to TooncesAndOmar
You already pay the tax. The yes vote is just redirecting where those funds go from the parish general fund (which is siphoned off by the city to pay for redundant youth centers, BRPD, and BRFD among other things) vs going to fund the new city of St. George.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:16 pm to TooncesAndOmar
It doesn’t matter. The wording isn’t clear enough and it will be voted down. Blame the legislators for not clarifying better, which may be the intent.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:18 pm to TooncesAndOmar
with all due respect, go frick yourself
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:21 pm to udtiger
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with all due respect, go frick yourself
Succinct and to the point. I like it.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:22 pm to udtiger
get ready for your property tax increase
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:24 pm to TooncesAndOmar
I would hope St.G doesn't need a NEW tax, just it's fair share out of EBR tax revenue. Why would it need a new tax?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:25 pm to TooncesAndOmar
Eat a juicy dick
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:26 pm to TooncesAndOmar
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This tax is in perpetuity. Once passed, we never get a chance to vote on it again.
Tis a lie. Stg council can vote to do away with it when seated.
Prepare to lose money Baton Rouge.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:27 pm to TooncesAndOmar
a NO vote does not lower your sales tax....a NO vote means the Parish keep recieving the money and a Yes means StG gets and controls the money.....this is the EXACT same process that Central went through
A vote of NO means you give the StG money to SWB
A vote of NO means you give the StG money to SWB
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:28 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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Prepare to lose money Baton Rouge.
Gravy wants norf Batin Roo-iges money
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:38 pm to TooncesAndOmar
Thoughts? You are part of the organized effort spearhead by Broome’s posse to defeat this tax because
you want to see St. George fail. You all have pretty much the same talking points.
you want to see St. George fail. You all have pretty much the same talking points.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:41 pm to TooncesAndOmar
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first time poster.
You don’t say…
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:46 pm to tigeraddict
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this is the EXACT same process that Central went through
The St. George leaders reference the Central model often, but this is definitely not the same order Central went through. Central had an intergovernmental agreement in place with the parish - to decide who was paying for which services - BEFORE the tax proposition. I believe the election vote for Central leadership was on the same ballot as the tax proposal.
St. George has no agreement in place with the parish right now and not date for elections.
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a NO vote does not lower your sales tax....
Glad we agree on this. If this passes, our tax rate will be set at 2% unless another tax is proposed in the future (usually future proposals are not for sales tax reductions!). I would rather St. George start with a lower tax from the get go. 2% is just what it already is.
A no vote gives us more time before it is locked in place.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:47 pm to TooncesAndOmar
These together baton rouge idiots wont stop. They don't even live in St.G.
The tax exists and will remain regardless of a vote. The vote is- Do you want St.G to get its funding that they are rightfully due ( and the city owes back taxes to them as well that they will be sued for soon) or do you want the parish to get it and continue wasting it.
Nothing is being raised and nothing is going away. You are voting on who you want to have the money and this is only for people who live in St.G. So if you want to give your taxes to the parish and not your city - you are essentially an idiot.
The tax exists and will remain regardless of a vote. The vote is- Do you want St.G to get its funding that they are rightfully due ( and the city owes back taxes to them as well that they will be sued for soon) or do you want the parish to get it and continue wasting it.
Nothing is being raised and nothing is going away. You are voting on who you want to have the money and this is only for people who live in St.G. So if you want to give your taxes to the parish and not your city - you are essentially an idiot.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:49 pm to 19
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I would hope St.G doesn't need a NEW tax, just it's fair share out of EBR tax revenue. Why would it need a new tax?
It is NOT A NEW TAX. It is the fair share out of EBR tax.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:49 pm to MintBerry Crunch
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Stg council can vote to do away with it when seated.
Absolutely agree with you! But that doesn't negate what I said. This is the only time we have agency. If this passes, we are dependent on the city council to create a new proposition.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:49 pm to TooncesAndOmar
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no vote gives us more time before it is locked in place.
A No vote just gives your money to the Parish instead of the money going to StG.
How is that preferable in any way? You are paying the money regardless.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:50 pm to TooncesAndOmar
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If this passes, we are dependent on the city council to create a new proposition.
And it if doesn't, you've given the Parish the revenue in perpetuity. You think the metro council is ever going to vote to reallocate it?
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