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Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:54 am
Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit), so can any human be dignified when they are essentially dehumanized by our economic system?
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:55 am to 4cubbies
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Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
I don't need to read any qualifiers or framing to answer "Yes, obviously"
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:57 am to 4cubbies
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Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit),
Yeah I knew there would be framing
"Capitalism" isn't this imposing force. You can see the leftism in your framing. Capitalism is the lack of an imposing force and the expansion of freedom.
Capitalism = freedom.
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so can any human be dignified when they are essentially dehumanized by our economic system?
Why do you find giving people more freedom to lead to decreased dignity?
What about humans do you loathe so much to think this way, and how would you build a system to restrict their freedoms to increase this perceived dignity?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:57 am to 4cubbies
You going full Marxist now eh?
No more pretending?
No more pretending?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:57 am to 4cubbies
What system are you envisioning as possibly more "humanizing"?
What's more humanizing than free exchange between humans?
What's more humanizing than free exchange between humans?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't need to read any qualifiers or framing
Well, that does seem to be how “discussions” work here.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:58 am to 4cubbies
The word you are looking for is Freedom.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:58 am to 4cubbies
I bet you got stuffed in a lot of lockers.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:59 am to Y.A. Tittle
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What system are you envisioning as possibly more "humanizing"?
I’m only discussing capitalism.
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What's more humanizing than free exchange between humans?
You’re describing bartering.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
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Well, that does seem to be how “discussions” work here.
You're aiming that attempt at a gotcha at the wrong white boy.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
Please tell me how I'm essentially dehumanized. I'd really like to know.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:00 am to 4cubbies
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Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
It has existed best within capitalist societies over world history. No system is perfect, but some are abysmal.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:00 am to 4cubbies
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Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit), so can any human be dignified when they are essentially dehumanized by our economic system?
Pack your shite and move to China, commie.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:00 am to 4cubbies
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I’m only discussing capitalism.
As capitalism is, by default, the lack of a "system", by implying that freedom dehumanizes humans, obviously there should be a system that would be more humanizing.
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You’re describing bartering.
Only freely permissible within the context of capitalism.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:01 am to 4cubbies
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Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit),
The far leftist failure view.
Capitalism is a means to escape poverty for the capable. Losers in life are its victims.
Most incompetent leftists would prefer a monopoly with only the government as the sole provider.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:01 am to 4cubbies
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I’m only discussing capitalism.
In a vacuum? That seems nonsensical.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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Capitalism is the lack of an imposing force and the expansion of freedom.
That’s not how capitalism works in practice.
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Capitalism = freedom.
Where does capitalism equal freedom?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:01 am to 4cubbies
Capitalism rewards greed. Undeniable.
It also rewards hard work, intelligence, and discipline. It's not perfect, but much better than the alternatives.
It also rewards hard work, intelligence, and discipline. It's not perfect, but much better than the alternatives.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:02 am to 4cubbies
If you want to restrict or outlaw capitalism, you’re going to need quite a robust enforcement system and mechanisms.
And then you’ll really see dehumanization.
Moreover, restricting or outlawing capitalism does not make everyone equal and dignified. Haves and have nots will still exist.
All you do is strip opportunity from millions of people.
And then you’ll really see dehumanization.
Moreover, restricting or outlawing capitalism does not make everyone equal and dignified. Haves and have nots will still exist.
All you do is strip opportunity from millions of people.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:02 am to El Segundo Guy
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Please tell me how I'm essentially dehumanized.
this shows how her mind works.
In the real world, those with ability thrive, those without ability depend on government.
Dignity is attained by accomplishments and integrity, not birth.
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