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Gay Marriage

Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:40 am
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:40 am
Taking all the politics out of this

Make the case why gay marriage is necessary?

On both a society/community level and even on a personal/individual level?

What benefits does this provide to a community in both the short term and in the long term?

What benefits does it even offer individuals that couldn't be resolved with a legal contract with regards to medical rights, assets, etc.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:41 am to
Morally to a Christian it is wrong.

Legally to the government, they cannot discriminate in their providing of services such as marriage licenses.

If you want to fix the "Gay Marriage" issue, get government out of marriage all together.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:42 am to
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get government out of marriage all together


This
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294425 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:42 am to
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Make the case why gay marriage is necessary?


Stability.

Do you prefer people to be whores?
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10314 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:45 am to
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Legally to the government, they cannot discriminate in their providing of services such as marriage licenses.



Why not? From a moral standpoint, why can't we set standards our communities? We have all kinds of other decency standards.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:46 am to
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What benefits does it even offer individuals that couldn't be resolved with a legal contract with regards to medical rights, assets, etc.


There aren’t any. It would be difficult to ever walk back now, but it should have never went through in the first place. Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman, even homosexuals had and have always had the same right to do that as everyone else.

If they wanted a civil union with the same benefits, there are very few who would have ever argued that shouldn’t have been legal. Christians, and some non Christian social conservatives always argued the importance was the term marriage itself. And as we have seen, the pro gay marriage people at the root were so adamant for the same but inverse reason, they wanted to be included in the word. But it’s not the same and never will be, and they cheapened the institution for their perversion.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 7:48 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294425 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:46 am to
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From a moral standpoint,


Most people dont believe being gay is immoral.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:48 am to
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Why not? From a moral standpoint, why can't we set standards our communities? We have all kinds of other decency standards.


Because of the Harm Principle. The US government was founded on the secular idea that despite your religion all people are equal. Therefore, if the Harm Principle is not violated, free people should be free to partake in government service even if it violates the majorities religious view.

Again I say, get government out of the business of providing that service and marriage can be solely in the realm of religion and your churches.

Here's the rub, you still won't stop "Gay Marriage" because churches will pop up providing that service.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10314 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:48 am to
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Stability.

Do you prefer people to be whores?


Is this like the clean needle program in San Francisco. "Well people are going be degenerates anyways, we may as well regulate it and make it safer"

Homosexuality does not create children. If they want to be whores, it is only self-destructive to themselves.

With hetero couples, promiscuous behavior can create children which has an overall effect on the community
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294425 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:49 am to
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Is this like the clean needle program in San Francisco


Its nothing like that.

Gay people will have sex whether you like it or not.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26810 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:50 am to
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Why not? From a moral standpoint, why can't we set standards our communities? We have all kinds of other decency standards.


I can save you some time here. Shallow thinkers will try to tell you that the government has no business in the morality game, and they'll try to claim that government is about protecting rights and gay marriage is a "right".

What they can't explain is why people think it's a right and why it's a right and screwing on a park bench is not. That would force them to admit that laws and morality are intertwined and that they LIKE enforcing certain morals that they think are important enough to enforce. They just pretend they're protecting rights and not codifying morality.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:50 am to
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Its nothing like that.

Gay people will have sex whether you like it or not.


It’s literally the same argument as the clean needle one
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10314 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:52 am to
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Most people dont believe being gay is immoral.


Most people are wrong.

But what if most people were against gay marriage? Say like 20 years ago. Is it OK to make it illegal again?

But you were not making a moral argument, you were making a legal argument. So how about a religous/conservative community in somewhere like Oklahoma that overwhelmingly does not want gay marriage? Are they allowed to set their own standards on this issue?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26882 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:52 am to
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If you want to fix the "Gay Marriage" issue, get government out of marriage all together.


You'll be burned at the stake for mentioning keeping gov and religion seperate.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294425 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:52 am to
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It’s literally the same argument as the clean needle one


Its absolutely nothing like that.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294425 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:53 am to
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Most people are wrong.


Good luck winning elections with that attitude.

Guess how you win elections?
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88323 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:55 am to
most may disagree with it on grounds of pro creation, biblical scripture and normalcy but really didn't give two shits what adults did in their bedroom back when it was NOT shoved down our throats 24/7.

gay marriage opened pandoras box to the mentally ill transgender bullshite we have now. it should have never been allowed based on that alone. now we have non stop LGBTQ commercials and a month celebrating that debauchery? pride month should be nuked completely.

Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:55 am to

It doesn't support natalism so government should not support it.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
88323 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:56 am to
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RogerThecucker




Posted by BamaAggiemom
Member since Aug 2019
511 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:57 am to
They should have just not called it marriage.

They could have called it a civil union. That way it's just a contract between 2 people. It's not about sex at all. It's about benefits and rights. Could even have 2 friends in a civil union so they can get healthcare benefits, make medical decisions, etc
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