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Offense Should Be Elite
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:27 pm
I hate hearing that we just don't have the guys on offense or that Nuss is terrible and that's why the offense is struggling.
This offense has enough talent to be elite but we have an absolutely horrible game plan that doesn't maximize our strengths.
Durham is an elite talent at RB. Mason Taylor is possibly the best TE in the country. TreyDez is an absolute freak of nature mismatch for everyone. While our WR room isn't as great as normal, AA, Kyren, CJ and Zavion are more than talented enough to get the job done.
And I know that people don't want to hear this right now but Nuss is also a good enough QB to still lead a damn good offense. He's better than plenty of the QBs that are currently in the playoff picture.
I'm not saying all of this to sunshine pump I'm saying this to make the point that since Kelly has gotten here I think our offensive gameplan has been clunky and unimaginative and only worked well when you had Jayden who had a skillset that is one in a million. And I know Underwood is an insane talent. But, I really would rather us have an offensive scheme that is well executed and creative enough to where it can be effective even without a one in a million talent at QB.
This offense has enough talent to be elite but we have an absolutely horrible game plan that doesn't maximize our strengths.
Durham is an elite talent at RB. Mason Taylor is possibly the best TE in the country. TreyDez is an absolute freak of nature mismatch for everyone. While our WR room isn't as great as normal, AA, Kyren, CJ and Zavion are more than talented enough to get the job done.
And I know that people don't want to hear this right now but Nuss is also a good enough QB to still lead a damn good offense. He's better than plenty of the QBs that are currently in the playoff picture.
I'm not saying all of this to sunshine pump I'm saying this to make the point that since Kelly has gotten here I think our offensive gameplan has been clunky and unimaginative and only worked well when you had Jayden who had a skillset that is one in a million. And I know Underwood is an insane talent. But, I really would rather us have an offensive scheme that is well executed and creative enough to where it can be effective even without a one in a million talent at QB.
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:36 pm to SpeedRacer89
couldn't agree more. We need a complete offensive overhaul. I have no reason to think any coach on our present staff has the intellectual chops to create/devise/implement an exciting non predictable boring offense that takes advanatage of our skill players.
Truly without an oline that is at least average, it may be impossible to devise a new offense described. LOS is the name of the game in football, and LSU has not dominated it in a long time. Firing Davis would be the best step forward to finding a new offense.
Truly without an oline that is at least average, it may be impossible to devise a new offense described. LOS is the name of the game in football, and LSU has not dominated it in a long time. Firing Davis would be the best step forward to finding a new offense.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:41 pm to QB
Definitely agree that the O line has been a huge disappointment. I think what’s a bigger disappointment is that the coaches haven’t adjusted to it better. Our interior O line is absolutely the worst part yet we waste so many plays running inside instead of outside or off tackle. Nuss struggles mightily with pressure up the middle but we still drop him straight back and let our center and guards get bowled over every play instead of rolling him out when hes actually pretty good at throwing on the run outside of the pocket in rhythm.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:42 pm to SpeedRacer89
Playing devil's advocate, the interior of the offensive line has been a liability all year and the loss of Dellinger only multiplied that. The center frequently misses blocks which handicaps everything.
Durham is a true freshman and has been injured for a large portion of the season. Williams is a guy who started as a walk on, there doesn't seem to be any more viable options after him.
Kyren Lacy is our #1 WR but disappears for large portions of games and drops a lot of catchable balls. Small school guy who's stepping up in competition.
Daniels is our #2 and has been injured most of the season. Another small school guy who is stepping up in competition.
Aaron Anderson has been great IMO but is small.
I don't know that this is actually elite level talent.
Durham is a true freshman and has been injured for a large portion of the season. Williams is a guy who started as a walk on, there doesn't seem to be any more viable options after him.
Kyren Lacy is our #1 WR but disappears for large portions of games and drops a lot of catchable balls. Small school guy who's stepping up in competition.
Daniels is our #2 and has been injured most of the season. Another small school guy who is stepping up in competition.
Aaron Anderson has been great IMO but is small.
I don't know that this is actually elite level talent.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:43 pm to SpeedRacer89
The oc sucks. Been saying this all yr.
The players have played like shite though. Nuss included. He hasn't thrown more than one or two deep balls on target all yr.
The players have played like shite though. Nuss included. He hasn't thrown more than one or two deep balls on target all yr.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:45 pm to SpeedRacer89
OP is correct but Sloan is a fraud that can’t game plan his way out of a paper bag.
Once something works, we immediately abandon it and call plays that have our jittery QB throwing deep into double coverage. Or, a play that takes five seconds to develop thus guaranteeing a sack, fumble, or interception.
Once something works, we immediately abandon it and call plays that have our jittery QB throwing deep into double coverage. Or, a play that takes five seconds to develop thus guaranteeing a sack, fumble, or interception.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:45 pm to SpeedRacer89
plus we all expected Kaleb Jackson to be a huge asset and he fell off a cliff
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:47 pm to SpeedRacer89
If your QB doesn't run at all in college your offense will not be effective.
He doesn't have to run much just a few times so the defense doesn't come in crashing every play. It is simple math, 11 defenders vs 10 offensive players.
He doesn't have to run much just a few times so the defense doesn't come in crashing every play. It is simple math, 11 defenders vs 10 offensive players.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:53 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Once something works, we immediately abandon it and call plays that have our jittery QB throwing deep into double coverage. Or, a play that takes five seconds to develop thus guaranteeing a sack, fumble, or interception.
This 100%. Idk if it’s Kelly or Sloan or both but it’s like nothing is easy. When you watch top teams and they have plays that create a wide open running lane or a wide open receiver it’s not just cause the players are great it’s cause there was a scheme or bust that put the player in a great position. Really think about it. Even on LSU’s biggest plays of the season there almost never easy and wide open.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:55 pm to hg
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plus we all expected Kaleb Jackson to be a huge asset and he fell off a cliff
I agree he’s been disappointing but even him I feel hasn’t been utilized correctly by coaches. He’s shown that when you get him in space and dump him a couple screen passes he starts to run well and with confidence yet we haven’t thrown him a single screen in like 5 games. It’s almost like we don’t understand the skill set of our players and just force them into some generic game plan rather it fits their style or not.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:57 pm to SpeedRacer89
We have an average Qb, below average Ol /Rbs and average Wrs with an exceptional TE.
We are functional but not elite.
We are functional but not elite.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:59 pm to SpeedRacer89
Respectfully disagree.
QB - Nuss is not elite. He is a good college QB who struggles to get through his progression lately. He ran out of the pocket and into the rush twice on Saturday when the pocket was clean. His footwork suggests he is not comfortable in the pocket and he doesn't run...ever. Couple this with his recent tendency to turn the ball over at inopportune times and it's resulted in competitive games becoming lopsided losses 3 weeks in a row now. He is exactly what his stats say he is: 56% completion, 9 TDs, 8 INTs in SEC play.
RB - Durham is exceptionally good and seems like he will be elite before he goes to the NFL. Williams is better than average. He's tough, but slower than necessary for an SEC back. Jackson struggles with his vision and now can barely get on the field.
WR - Anderson and Thomas look like they can be dangerous and are both really good slot options. Daniels is a great possession WR. It hurt us when he went out hurt the past couple weeks. Lacy is a solid, but not elite. He drops too many passes and doesn't create separation like a true WR1 should. He'll play on Sundays because he does a lot of things well off the ball, but he is not in the same league with BTJ, Malik, OBJ, Juice, Jets, Chase, etc.
OL - OTs are elite and will both play on Sundays. The interior is average at best. We can not run block at all. Pass pro has been good this year aside from this past weekend. Some of this is youth. It is what it is.
TE - Mason is a mismatch and should be targeted more. Green and Pimpton will be really good for us over the next couple years, they are just young/inexperienced which means you get some missed blocking assignments every now and then as part of the learning curve.
All this said, TE is the only position on our offense right now that I would say is elite. Everything else is average to good. That's why we are averaging 17 points in our last 3 games.
One more thing I would add, is it is very obvious this year that we don't have experienced depth. We have young guys that have had to fill in for injuries, which could be a good thing in the coming years.
QB - Nuss is not elite. He is a good college QB who struggles to get through his progression lately. He ran out of the pocket and into the rush twice on Saturday when the pocket was clean. His footwork suggests he is not comfortable in the pocket and he doesn't run...ever. Couple this with his recent tendency to turn the ball over at inopportune times and it's resulted in competitive games becoming lopsided losses 3 weeks in a row now. He is exactly what his stats say he is: 56% completion, 9 TDs, 8 INTs in SEC play.
RB - Durham is exceptionally good and seems like he will be elite before he goes to the NFL. Williams is better than average. He's tough, but slower than necessary for an SEC back. Jackson struggles with his vision and now can barely get on the field.
WR - Anderson and Thomas look like they can be dangerous and are both really good slot options. Daniels is a great possession WR. It hurt us when he went out hurt the past couple weeks. Lacy is a solid, but not elite. He drops too many passes and doesn't create separation like a true WR1 should. He'll play on Sundays because he does a lot of things well off the ball, but he is not in the same league with BTJ, Malik, OBJ, Juice, Jets, Chase, etc.
OL - OTs are elite and will both play on Sundays. The interior is average at best. We can not run block at all. Pass pro has been good this year aside from this past weekend. Some of this is youth. It is what it is.
TE - Mason is a mismatch and should be targeted more. Green and Pimpton will be really good for us over the next couple years, they are just young/inexperienced which means you get some missed blocking assignments every now and then as part of the learning curve.
All this said, TE is the only position on our offense right now that I would say is elite. Everything else is average to good. That's why we are averaging 17 points in our last 3 games.
One more thing I would add, is it is very obvious this year that we don't have experienced depth. We have young guys that have had to fill in for injuries, which could be a good thing in the coming years.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 4:59 pm to SpeedRacer89
WRs are not good and OL might be worse. Durham is awesome, but has been slowed by his toes.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:01 pm to ShermanTxTiger
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We have an average Qb, below average Ol /Rbs and average Wrs with an exceptional TE. We are functional but not elite.
Yeah I disagree. Nuss is definitely an above average QB in my opinion. He struggles with decision making with our predictable playcalling but he’s on the same level as many of the QBs of the top teams. Caden is also an elite talent at RB in my opinion and while I know our WRs aren’t great by LSU standards I still think there’s more talent there than the vast majority of schools. Game plan is much more the problem than the talent in my opinion.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:02 pm to SpeedRacer89
You’re right but we have a horrendous offensive line . That is the weak link .
Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:07 pm to SpeedRacer89
Maybe Mike Denbrock was better than people realized???
Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:07 pm to SpeedRacer89
Offensively we have continued to run up the middle on second and long when it’s been proven to be a losing strategy. Especially since Dellinger went down, we have failed to change strategies even when it completely goes against what strengths we have.
Defensively we have continued to trot Gilbert, Ryan and Burns out there when it’s been proven again and again to be a losing strategy. Perhaps we have no one better, but this idea doesn’t make me feel any better about our team.
How is it this is the best we can do? How is it that we can’t plan better than this? We seemed to beg Ryan to stay. Why? Gilbert plays like he’s 120 pounds. Do we have no one better? Why? We have no depth on the oline. Why? Is Mubenga the best we can do? Injuries happen, but we haven’t prepared for them despite a portal that can help. Why?
The biggest problem with the aforementioned problems isn’t the players. They all have limitations. The problem is moreso the inability of the coaches to put us in a better position.
Kelly is right. They have to coach better. But simply repeating it again and again isn’t going to do it. You have to work better to coach better. Are all our coaches doing that? The past three games suggest they are not.
Kelly likes to yell at the players to get them to do their jobs, but he first should take a closer look at the job he’s been doing recently. The trend is not promising.
Defensively we have continued to trot Gilbert, Ryan and Burns out there when it’s been proven again and again to be a losing strategy. Perhaps we have no one better, but this idea doesn’t make me feel any better about our team.
How is it this is the best we can do? How is it that we can’t plan better than this? We seemed to beg Ryan to stay. Why? Gilbert plays like he’s 120 pounds. Do we have no one better? Why? We have no depth on the oline. Why? Is Mubenga the best we can do? Injuries happen, but we haven’t prepared for them despite a portal that can help. Why?
The biggest problem with the aforementioned problems isn’t the players. They all have limitations. The problem is moreso the inability of the coaches to put us in a better position.
Kelly is right. They have to coach better. But simply repeating it again and again isn’t going to do it. You have to work better to coach better. Are all our coaches doing that? The past three games suggest they are not.
Kelly likes to yell at the players to get them to do their jobs, but he first should take a closer look at the job he’s been doing recently. The trend is not promising.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:08 pm to SpeedRacer89
Maybe Mike Denbrock was better than people realized???
and,,,
We're playing 10 versus 11 because Nuss refuses to run or get hit.
and,,,
We're playing 10 versus 11 because Nuss refuses to run or get hit.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:10 pm to panzer
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Maybe Mike Denbrock was better than people realized???
No we run basically the same plays we ran with Denbrock the difference is we had a QB that was a one in a million skillset.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:11 pm to SpeedRacer89
Kelly knows how to screw up elite.
See last year when 3 first round picks on offense meant 3 losses.
See last year when 3 first round picks on offense meant 3 losses.
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