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Solution to the fake injury problem
Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:57 pm
I have heard multiple commentators and analysts debating this as if it’s some unsolvable quandary. It’s not.
The solution is the player has to sit out the remainder of the drive. It only applies if they have to stop the game clock due to the injury.
If it’s something minor, they should be able to get to the sideline quickly. If they can’t, then that seems like evidence that they need to be out for an extended period to be evaluated.
Also the team can call a timeout to avoid this.
Penalty for playing a player during a drive when they should be sitting out is they have to miss the remainder of the game.
This should be rolled out as a player safety issue. Everyone is for player safety, right?
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:58 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Solution to the fake injury problem
Actually injure them?
Posted on 10/11/24 at 10:07 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I clicked this thread expecting to read something overreaching and infeasible but I must say this is quite a good idea
Posted on 10/11/24 at 10:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They can call it the Rebel Rule.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:05 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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The solution is the player has to sit out the remainder of the drive. It only applies if they have to stop the game clock due to the injury.
I completely agree. Everything is geared towards the protection of the players and letting them come right back in a play latter does not protect them from continuing to aggravate the previous "injury". Sitting the rest of the series allows for proper evaluation of the "injury".
Hell, if we are being honest everyone including LSU has used this. But some teams like Ole Piss and Auburn use it way more than others.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:06 pm to mcpotiger
This has been discussed on a couple of talk shows. It’s really the only answer.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Under your solution, how long is given for a player to get up before the ref calls it?
Because QBs often get knocked down and don’t get up right away. If you are leaving this up to the refs to decide when a player is “injured enough” to have to stop play, that could get crazy. What if your QB gets knocked down on the first play of a drive and the ref decides “he didn’t get up quick enough for me. I better stop the clock”? Well now under your solution, your QB can’t come back after one play. No, you now have to “finish the drive” with your backup QB.
I get what you are trying to do here. You are trying to implement a “harsher punishment” levied on a team for “having an injury”. Unfortunately there could be some negative consequences from said solution.
Because QBs often get knocked down and don’t get up right away. If you are leaving this up to the refs to decide when a player is “injured enough” to have to stop play, that could get crazy. What if your QB gets knocked down on the first play of a drive and the ref decides “he didn’t get up quick enough for me. I better stop the clock”? Well now under your solution, your QB can’t come back after one play. No, you now have to “finish the drive” with your backup QB.
I get what you are trying to do here. You are trying to implement a “harsher punishment” levied on a team for “having an injury”. Unfortunately there could be some negative consequences from said solution.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:16 pm to Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
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I completely agree. Everything is geared towards the protection of the players and letting them come right back in a play latter does not protect them from continuing to aggravate the previous "injury". Sitting the rest of the series allows for proper evaluation of the "injury".
Right. But like I said in my post above. Who decides when a “player injury” warrants “stopping the clock” and thus “removing said injured player from the field for the rest of the possession? I gave the example involving a QB situation because the QB is the single player that has the most effect on the field.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:35 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They should do it like soccer. You fake an injury you get a yellow card. Second yellow card you get a red card and you're out and team has to play rest of game with 10 men
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:41 pm to J2thaROC
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Because QBs often get knocked down and don’t get up right away. If you are leaving this up to the refs to decide when a player is “injured enough” to have to stop play, that could get crazy. What if your QB gets knocked down on the first play of a drive and the ref decides “he didn’t get up quick enough for me. I better stop the clock”? Well now under your solution, your QB can’t come back after one play. No, you now have to “finish the drive” with your backup QB.
You realize they already decide when to stop the clock for injuries, right?
It’s not the judgement call you’re making it out to be. Either the trainers come out and they stop the game/play clocks, or the trainers stay on the sidelines and the game/play clocks keep counting.
Your hypothetical QB scenario doesn’t make sense, because A) there’s probably no need to enforce this against the offense anyway, considering they already dictate the pace of the game and B) even if they did, it would only apply if the trainers actually come onto the field to check the QB.
ETA: If there is an injury timeout for a player, that player already has to go to the sideline for at least one play and cannot return until cleared by medical staff. This would only apply to players who are already leaving the field with trainers. There is no additional judgement from the officials required beyond what we already have today.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I would also treat it like the rule for helmets coming off in regards to penalties. If a penalty is called on the opposing team on that play, and directly involved the player that was injured, this rule would not apply and that player would be allowed back in whenever they were ready.
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:00 am to lostinbr
quote:Ole Miss (by far the worst offender) had a RB drop like he'd been sniped last week, after the QB turned around and told him to.
Your hypothetical QB scenario doesn’t make sense, because A) there’s probably no need to enforce this against the offense anyway, considering they already dictate the pace of the game
I think the biggest (really only) issue with the suggestion is that it might encourage guys who are actually hurt to try to stay in the game and risk further injury.
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:26 am to Gravitiger
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Ole Miss (by far the worst offender) had a RB drop like he'd been sniped last week, after the QB turned around and told him to.
I didn’t see that one… why?
I don’t really see what advantage there is to flopping on offense. Maybe if you’re trying to buy time on the play clock to get a call in or something, I guess. That’s about the only scenario I can think of where it makes any sense.
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I think the biggest (really only) issue with the suggestion is that it might encourage guys who are actually hurt to try to stay in the game and risk further injury.
This is really the only argument against it IMO. I don’t think it’s that likely though. It would have to be a scenario where an injury is severe enough to create a legitimate risk if the player stays in the game, but minor enough that the player can continue playing without even getting it taped up.
This post was edited on 10/12/24 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:28 am to lostinbr
I assume they didn't like the look or play call and didn't want to burn a TO.
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:34 am to lostinbr
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:37 am to Gravitiger
These fricking guys. I wonder if the OC is telling Dart to get someone to go down over the helmet radio. Like you said they must not have liked the look or something. I’ve never seen someone do that on offense. 
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:39 am to Gravitiger
I wonder if their could be some kind of system where after a certain number of injury timeouts due to one team happen, if refs could start granting the opposing team additional time outs as a form of compensation. Would probably put a stop to it real quick.
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:39 am to Bjorn Cyborg
So you’re just regurgitating the same things many have already said and had to start your own thread for the attention?
Pretty douchey.
Pretty douchey.
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:40 am to lostinbr
Yeah, even the center is like, "WTF man?"
Posted on 10/12/24 at 1:14 am to Gravitiger
This would make the perfect touchdown celebration for the game tonight. Would that be considered an unsportsmanlike penalty
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