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On this Sunday morning, can we have a little chat about religion?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:30 am
I understand this may not be a religious forum, and I don't want to upset the God-hating leftists on here, but I’ve been surprised by how many people share their near-death experiences, claiming to have encountered heaven or hell. Many who say they experienced hell are now Christians as a result of it. This confuses me, though, because what about those who claim they went to hell but weren’t given the chance for redemption?
I’m really hoping for some insight from fellow Christians, as my faith has been wavering lately.
I’m really hoping for some insight from fellow Christians, as my faith has been wavering lately.
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:33 am to LSUbacchus81
Let’s be as pragmatic as we can about it. Living your life by the tenants of Christianity gives you a good anchor in life, a way to act, something to believe in, something to look forward to. It’s a great way to live and if we are wrong and there isn’t anything after this then we will never ever know. Seems like a solid hedge
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:33 am to LSUbacchus81
A near death experience is exactly that-near death. In these situations, which have been documented across the globe, people experience and see things specific to the culture in which they were raised. I believe it to be subconscious projection as a result of cultural conditioning.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:38 am to LSUbacchus81
I know a guy that was an ardent atheist who every opportunity to hate on God and religious folks constantly for years until he nearly OD'ed on prescription meds and "had an out of body" experience. He tossed out all of the God hating memorabilia, deleted all his content, and became an ordained minister.
I also find it weird that seemingly atheists want to talk about religion more than most people.
I also find it weird that seemingly atheists want to talk about religion more than most people.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:39 am to LSUbacchus81
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This confuses me, though, because what about those who claim they went to hell but weren’t given the chance for redemption?
I'm not understanding. If they went to hell and came back to give an account of it doesn't that mean they were given a chance for redemption? They're alive and can make different decisions... Right?
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:43 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Let’s be as pragmatic as we can about it.
Yes, let's. It might not be a good idea to have most of your population believing the world is destined to end is a bloody war.
Pragmatism would consider all the pros and cons. The fact you didn't mention any cons shows you're not being very pragmatic at all.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:48 am to LSUbacchus81
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This confuses me, t
They weren’t condemned to hell, they were allowed to visit (experience) it.
If these stories are true then this is a grace from God sent as a warning.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:51 am to LSUbacchus81
There are lots of stories out there of people with near death experiences of hell. Now who knows if what they saw was real but if even half of what they saw was then yikes to anyone who ends up in that situation
Posted on 9/29/24 at 10:52 am to Guntoter1
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If these stories are true then this is a grace from God sent as a warning.
Would you be calling a teachers behavior graceful if they gave one of your child's classmates the answers for an exam but not your kid?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:09 am to Azkiger
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I'm not understanding. If they went to hell and came back to give an account of it doesn't that mean they were given a chance for redemption? They're alive and can make different decisions... Right?
I realize I may not be expressing this clearly, but only a handful of people seem to experience this phenomenon. I wonder why that is, why God reveals these near-death experiences to some people while others are left to wonder what happens after death.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:11 am to Guntoter1
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They weren’t condemned to hell, they were allowed to visit (experience) it.
If these stories are true then this is a grace from God sent as a warning.
THIS!!!
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:11 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Let’s be as pragmatic as we can about it. Living your life by the tenants of Christianity gives you a good anchor in life, a way to act, something to believe in, something to look forward to. It’s a great way to live and if we are wrong and there isn’t anything after this then we will never ever know. Seems like a solid hedge
My problem isn't whether one believes or not, it's that most non-believers don't want anyone believing.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:14 am to dalefla
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My problem isn't whether one believes or not, it's that most non-believers don't want anyone believing.
That's definitely what I have noticed.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:31 am to LSUbacchus81
I’m not sure any of us can accurately answer that question. There could be a myriad of reasons why God chooses to reveal Himself that way. I do know that some people’s lives and some people’s death have the ability to affect way more people than others. It could be to save several generations of people , not just one person.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:34 am to LSUbacchus81
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my faith has been wavering lately.
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LSUbacchus81
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bacchus
Still clinging on to ancient Roman religions?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:38 am to LSUbacchus81
I believe in NDE, I notice that most who experience them see heaven, I’ve only heard of a few that saw hell.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:44 am to LSUbacchus81
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I realize I may not be expressing this clearly, but only a handful of people seem to experience this phenomenon. I wonder why that is, why God reveals these near-death experiences to some people while others are left to wonder what happens after death.
I see what you're saying and I don't have an answer. But these sorts of inconsistencies were a small part of what made me leave the faith.
It's not just in the scenario you highlighted, but also in when we die.
While it might seem nice to give a 6 year old who died a free ticket to Heaven, the vast majority of the world must be saved in order to get into Heaven. That creates another, similar, inconsistency. Why does one soul get a free pass but another must run the gauntlet where they have an 80%+ chance of going to Hell? Because God gave a child leukemia? Or because a child was killed in a drive by?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:46 am to dalefla
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it's that most non-believers don't want anyone believing.
And most believers want people believing. Don't be blind to human nature just because it's occurring on your own team.
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 11:47 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:47 am to Azkiger
quote:I mean that’s kind of the whole point is to make believers out of everyone. I can’t imagine any believer would want someone to experience hell
And most believers want people believing.
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 11:50 am to Pelican fan99
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I mean that’s kind of the whole point is to make believers out of everyone. I can’t imagine any believer would want someone to experience hell
Agreed, that's why I never find it off putting when someone tries to share their beliefs with me.
But when non-believers do it...
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