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Japan work trip with a handful of free days. Tokyo and Kyoto. Suggestions?

Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:53 pm
As the title says, I am headed to Japan for a week of work. I am taking a handful of days on the back end since I am not sure I will make it back there again.

I am in Tokyo for a weekend after Friday morning arrival. Work M-Fr noon in Tokyo area. Then am free until I fly out on Wed. Probably planning on heading to Kyoto from Fr to W morning.

Any suggestions?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 4:46 pm to
Depending on what you're into and travel style, you could do a day that starts in Kyoto and ends back in Kyoto, while hitting the Nara Park deer and main temple in Nara, then heading over to Osaka (Dotonbori and Shinsekai) . However, the last bullet train out of Osaka is around 10/10:30pm (12 minute ride) but a slower one is available a little later IIRC.

Only a thought since you're by yourself and short on time. That may possibly open up a day somewhere outside those cities (day trip from Tokyo to Nikko or something) or adding on to them.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
12746 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 7:29 pm to
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I am in Tokyo for a weekend after Friday morning arrival


Smart. Try to time your flight to land in the early afternoon (probably NRT), and not one of the flights that lands in HND in the morning. If you can keep yourself awake until sundown your first day and not nap, (at least me) will be adjusted in one night (there are other steps on the flight that go into this, but I'll keep it simple for now.)

Where are you staying in Tokyo? Shinagawa, etc? Don't bother to take out cash in Tokyo, just get a Suica card at a Lawson's or 7-11, and reload it to pay for nearly anything. I presume you're familiar with Japanese etiquette, and can at least speak a few simple phrases. If not, I'll go off on my diatribe of dos and do nots. Me: I have to get off the phone, I'm getting on the bus. Ex: it won't be a problem. Me: No, b1tch, if I talk on this 2 hour bus ride the driver will stop the bus, bow to me, and tell me to politely exit his conveyance until I stop acting like a Gaijin 40 miles outside of the city.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 9/13/24 at 11:29 am to
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get a Suica card


My flight arrives early afternoon and I am going to caffeine it until bed time. If I lay down it will be over.

I looked that card up and it seems that they aren't selling the cards right now due to a chip shortage. People are using the app on cell phones.

What is the best way to convert some cash into Yen? I am planning on making at least one mid sized purchase (cooking knives) and am not certain if card or cash will be the better vehicle to do that. There is a chance I may get into a watch if I run into the right one. That would definitely be an AMEX buy though.

I am studied up on the etiquette but am not going to even take a stab at speaking beyond Please and Thank You.

Staying by Tokyo Station which is the high end shopping district from what I understand.

I am less worried about what to do in Tokyo as my business hosts will be close by. My trip to Osaka/Kyoto will be all me though. I don't even know how to purchase a bullet train ticket at this point. Online in advance?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 9/14/24 at 12:16 pm to
I was in Japan in April. You can get a Suica card at Haneda.

If you have an iPhone, you can add SUICA to your wallet right now and not deal with it. Android phones cannot do phone based SUICA in Japan unless the phone was bought in Japan.

For shinkansen tickets, the app you want to download and use is SmartEx. You can scan the ticket with your phone at the turn style.

For all train schedules and routing, even city subway lines the Japan Travel app by Navitime is awesome. Google Maps also works well for local transit.

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I am studied up on the etiquette but am not going to even take a stab at speaking beyond Please and Thank You


I did Duo Lingo and learned some useful terms. Of course, without immersion it's going to be a one way conversation for the most part. Somewhat similar to Spanish in construction.

A phrase such as:

[Object] wa doko desa ka? "Where is the ...
Oterai wa doko desa ka means where is the bathroom.

Doko - where
Soko - there
Koko - here
This post was edited on 9/14/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted by St. Pete Tiger
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 9/14/24 at 7:42 pm to
I do this all the time for work. Smart to get in on Friday though I prefer HND as it is much closer to city center

Use the virtual card on your iPhone as noted...however you can't load with Visa.

sumimasen is your magic word. Pronounce it like it looks. It means excuse, sorry, hey you, etc...

Google maps and translate is your friend. Trains are as comically on time as the movies say.

Just smile, point, and be very quite and polite

Two days in Tokyo -> hit up a few of the parks in central tokyo, Shinjuku (the tokyo from the movies) is a must, Shibuya sky is fun, honestly, just main areas and wonder. fantastic city. hard to find a bad meal

Kyoto on the back end; stay in Ginza (old area) and find a few temples and shrines to hit (million of them, all very old). Nara is a fun and ~hour from train from Kyoto. Deer are cool but main attraction is the worlds biggest wooden building, from 1500's????? Osaka is also 20 minutes by Shinkansen from Kyoto.

Tokyo -> Kyoto easy Shinkansen ride....multiple trains an hour just make sure you get an express.

LINK is a really good site.

Drop me a reply here with specific question. I travel there for work often and spent 2 weeks with family there this summer.

This post was edited on 9/14/24 at 7:43 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40512 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 8:26 pm to
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Deer are cool but main attraction is the worlds biggest wooden building, from 1500's?????


Todai-ji.

My wife goes in blind on our vacations (I'm kinda jealous) and when we go there, she exclaimed "Wow, did you know this was here!!?!?"
Posted by LemmyLives
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Member since Mar 2019
12746 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 8:54 pm to
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What is the best way to convert some cash into Yen?


In every country except Japan, I get cash at an airport ATM. However, just use the ATM at a Lawson's or a 7-11. That answer with be oft-repeated for many a question, lol. I didn't buy any knives, but looked at some. I would suggest finding what you want, telling the shopkeeper you want to return with money to buy X,Y,Z tomorrow, and get out what you need if they don't take a card. It's not out of concern for theft, but to avoid having to convert Yen back into Dollars.

Being a traditional craft, I doubt any of the shopkeepers will speak or understand more than a few words of English, if any. I always used Microsoft Translate for complicated stuff (Are these chicken feet or chicken meat, is one I had to use in Korea.) Your version might be, "I need a knife to slice bread, a knife to slice beef very thin, and a general purpose knife."

There is a "information office" at all the major stations that can tell you which machines to purchase tickets from, depending on which line you're riding. The site here I haven't used, (I haven't been on the Shinkansen since the 80s.)

Assuming you're staying at a Western hotel, feel free to abuse the snot out of the concierge. If you asked one how to do even mundane stuff, they'll write a bunch of kanji on a card to hand to a shopkeeper, etc. They want to practice their English desperately. They're especially handy for Taxis, as most of the taxi drivers don't speak any English, and can't recognize streets, etc., said in Japanese by a janky Westerner like me. If you're looking for knives, ask the concierge where the on site chef likes to buy knives from in the area. They will find out, and write the directions on a card.

As much as I hate Google, Google Maps does a great job, at least in Tokyo, of intricate directions (Leave the 6 platform, walk up the stairs, turn East, etc.) It also shows locations in both Japanese and in English on the screen, so it makes it easy to get help if you need it.

If your "office" goes out to dinner, everyone splits the tab evenly, even if you didn't eat or drink a lot. I got slapped with that in a group of probably 35 people unexpectedly. IIRC, the same thing happened in smaller groups. If your office has a cafeteria, eat there at least a couple of times. The food was excellent at our building, and one day they had an entire fresh tuna which was disassembled over 40 minutes from whole tuna to fins for "dessert." Be prepared for a ton of alcohol consumption, even on a Tuesday. If you go into a restaurant or bar, you will reek like smoke, even if you don't smoke. My go-to hotel had Febreeze in the wardrobe so I could de-stink my clothes.

The etiquette thing can most likely be summed up by, if there are rules (stand on the left on an escalator, walk on the right, which I think is the opposite in Kyoto) then you follow them. You do not eat or drink while walking. Always exchange things (business cards, payment card trays, etc.,) with both hands, never just one. If you do get business cards at a meeting, do NOT file them away until after a meeting. You're expected to arrange them on the table above whatever you're taking notes on, and collect them after the meeting. You will be told where to sit during meetings, so don't just crash the first chair you fancy.

An important word, pronounced exactly like it's spelled, "Sumimasen." Use when you need to get a server's attention for another beer.
Posted by DandyPimp
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/14/24 at 10:08 pm to
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LINK


This the knife store we went to back in June. It was great and they have English speaking employees. Just bought 2 more knives from my salesperson last week for client gifts.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40512 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 11:54 pm to
Kappabashi Kitchen Tools Street
??????? had all the knife stores. One after the other. Ton of westerners there buying. Looked expensive.

Uber works in Tokyo now so you don't have to translate too much anymore. Now, apparently Uber is interfacing on top of a local app so apparently you will pay more, but I don't sleep in hostels so this difference was negligible to me vs ease of use.

Different side of escalator vs Osaka but it will be easily apparent because you're never getting on an escalator alone so just copy the side of the Japanese. Unless it's a train station no one is using the "fast lane" created by moving to one side anyway.


I took my cash out at the airport like I do every international trip from the ATM. Worked fine. Same as anywhere else IMO.
This post was edited on 9/14/24 at 11:58 pm
Posted by St. Pete Tiger
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Member since Feb 2005
2498 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 8:50 am to
Solid post, one note Taxi Go better than uber in Japan. Basically Uber, but with taxis.

However, public transportation is the best way to go.
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 8:52 am
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40512 posts
Posted on 9/15/24 at 9:26 am to
quote:

Solid post, one note Taxi Go better than uber in Japan. Basically Uber, but with taxis.


Ya, Uber is just using Taxi Go cabs a lot, but I didn't want to download yet another app.
This post was edited on 9/15/24 at 9:27 am
Posted by barbapapa
Member since Mar 2018
3794 posts
Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:15 pm to
Shinjuku station area of Tokyo has a lot of interesting stuff nearby and also being the busiest station you can go anywhere. Ginza has all the high end shopping. Akihabara if you want the video game/ anime stuff. Great city.
Posted by GumBro Jackson
Raleigh
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:47 pm to
Great cities. This is probably obvious, but the variety of temples is amazing.

In Kyoto I particularly liked Fushimi Inari (thousands of orange gates) Kiyomizu Temple (on a mountain top), and Kinkaku-ji (The Golden Pavilion).

The food is amazing. I went to the old fish market which was really cool, but I know the have relocated to a new one.
Posted by nwalser
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Member since Jun 2010
204 posts
Posted on 9/17/24 at 7:38 am to
Netflix has a series called Somebody Feed Phil. Search for the Kyoto episode. He shows the city as so peaceful and wonderful. I would not have known it as a destination unti I saw that episode.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 8:46 am to
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Netflix has a series called Somebody Feed Phil. Search for the Kyoto episode. He shows the city as so peaceful and wonderful. I would not have known it as a destination unti I saw that episode.

The entire city isn't like that, obviously, but Kyoto should be on every traveler's bucket list.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 9/17/24 at 1:07 pm to
Mario Kart in Tokyo Rainbow Bridge
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/19/24 at 3:07 pm to
If you want to see Kinkaku-ji (the Golden Temple) in Kyoto and are willing to spend a little extra time, take the subway to Kuramaguchi Station, walk to the west along Kuramaguchi-dori, sidetrack to Kamiya Park to get a view of the giant kanji on the mountainside (that is one of the five giant bonfires during Obon), go to Nishioji-dori and get a cup of coffee and a sandwich or a piece of banana nut bread at Coffee Kobo, then follow the crowd to the temple.

You can take the bus to another location after that, but that walk through the normal neighborhoods will give you a less-touristy feel for Kyoto than you'd get otherwise. I happened to do it during sakura season when it was still cool out, and it was a magical experience.

There are a lot of tourist spots in Kyoto. People have also mentioned Fushimi Inari Taisha (with the thousand torii gates), but you might also enjoy the Arashiyama Bamboo Forest and the nearby gardens and temples.

If you're doing Kyoto, Nara, Osaka area, Kobe is right there too. You can easily spend a year in that region and just scratch the surface of things to do. Osaka has the World Expo coming next summer, so there's a lot of renovations and upgrades going on at parks and stations right now.

If you don't wind up getting a SUICA in Tokyo, you can get an ICOCA in the Osaka area which is essentially the same thing for that region. It makes transfers a breeze, although any reserved seating trains (like the Shinkansen) still require a separate ticket. There are more places that are still cash only in this region than in Tokyo, but finding a 7-11, Lawson, or Family Mart with an ATM is usually pretty easy.

Also, pay attention to the station names. In the Osaka area, there are Hankyu and Kintetsu rail lines in addition to the JR lines and Osaka Metro subways, so there may be multiple stations with a similar name. Using Nara as an example, if you're riding on a Japan Railways train, the station will just be called Nara Station. If you're riding on the Kintetsu route, the station will be called Kintetsu Nara Station.
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