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Moving to Perkins to "Star"...what is the position and how does his role change?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:15 pm
There's a lot of topical conversation about what to do with Perkins to get the most out of his talent. Most solutions would have us let Weeks play LB and move Perk to the "star" position currently occupied by Major Burns. So what is the star and what would we need out of Perkins.
The Star as it's come to be known was born of the old nickleback looks where you're playing 5 defensive backs. 3 corners and 2 safety. The 3rd corner played the nickel as he may not have had the long speed to hold up outside. He was also replacing in that package, a traditional lumbering linebacker. Remember Saban's fat slow linebackers that couldn't deal with lateral speed to the edges somewhere around the time he was bitching about spread offenses?
Over time, with the onset of more spread offenses, it became a position of its own where you have a guy who can make coverage reads in zone against TEs and slot receivers. But there's also instances of being drawn deep into man to man coverages, being a pass rusher or quickly reading and reacting to a play to make a tackle laterally. Think peak Tyrann Mathieu. He was doing star things before the position became trendy.
Here's what Saban had to say about what he looks for in the position
Here's a recent example of one of Sabans players, Brian Branch at the star position
You look at that highlights package and what stands out right away is that 1) were not getting any of that out of Major Burns. 2) There's a lot of things this player has to do well... drift back into coverage, rush off the edge, be a missile to react to lateral runs or screens and get over to make those tackles.
So how do we feel about Perkins in this role? The pass rush element obviously shouldn't be an issue but can he hold his own if he's pulled out into coverage, does he have the instincts to read and react to screens and be a missile to them for a TFL. TEs and slot WRs in front of him, is he able to make those tackles (that Burns is missing).
The Star as it's come to be known was born of the old nickleback looks where you're playing 5 defensive backs. 3 corners and 2 safety. The 3rd corner played the nickel as he may not have had the long speed to hold up outside. He was also replacing in that package, a traditional lumbering linebacker. Remember Saban's fat slow linebackers that couldn't deal with lateral speed to the edges somewhere around the time he was bitching about spread offenses?
Over time, with the onset of more spread offenses, it became a position of its own where you have a guy who can make coverage reads in zone against TEs and slot receivers. But there's also instances of being drawn deep into man to man coverages, being a pass rusher or quickly reading and reacting to a play to make a tackle laterally. Think peak Tyrann Mathieu. He was doing star things before the position became trendy.
Here's what Saban had to say about what he looks for in the position
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“Star is really a Sam linebacker, aight, but they’ve got three wideouts or more in the game, so you’re playing on a wide receiver, so that guy’s versatility is different than a linebacker playing that position where he can never play a guy man-to-man,” Saban said. “But he is the Sam linebacker in essence. So it takes a guy that A.) is a good tackler. He’s tough, is a good blitzer.
“But he’s got good enough block protection on the perimeter that when they throw smokes and bubbles, he can win. As well as being very instinctive in reading run-pass, but then he’s gotta have enough cover skills to be able to cover a slot guy. That’s kind of what we look for.
“Sometimes that guy’s a corner, sometimes it can be a safety
Here's a recent example of one of Sabans players, Brian Branch at the star position
You look at that highlights package and what stands out right away is that 1) were not getting any of that out of Major Burns. 2) There's a lot of things this player has to do well... drift back into coverage, rush off the edge, be a missile to react to lateral runs or screens and get over to make those tackles.
So how do we feel about Perkins in this role? The pass rush element obviously shouldn't be an issue but can he hold his own if he's pulled out into coverage, does he have the instincts to read and react to screens and be a missile to them for a TFL. TEs and slot WRs in front of him, is he able to make those tackles (that Burns is missing).
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:17 pm to Lsuhoohoo
He has the perfect speed and size combo to play that role vs Major and company in my opinion. It keeps him on the field and lets him play all over the field and not have to fight linemen on every play on the interior.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:25 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Seems like Perkins would be a great fit for that type of role. He actually graded fairly well in coverage last year but idk how that would translate to him actually covering receivers like he would need to. TBH this is the best fit for him and this defense and if he cant do that then idk what to say, he just isnt a fit unless its to spy a QB or in blitzing packages. Im quite shocked that a player as talented as Perkins cant find a role on the defense, maybe hes not as good as we all thought.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:26 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Seems like a lot of Perks to this move.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:28 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Star is really a Sam linebacker, aight
Perkins played Sam in every game except Florida State last year and this board said he wasn't being used correctly.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:28 pm to LuzianaFootball
He’s perfect for the star because he’s just strong enough as a tackler to play the position on run defense downs. He’s athletic enough to cover in space like he showed last year (one of our highest graded pass defenders according to PFF). He’s a great blitzer obviously. It gives the defense that much more versatility.
The star position was made for tweeners like Isaiah Simmons and Harold Perkins to stay on the field all 3 downs. I just wish Baker and Kelly could have sold Perkins on the position in the offseason.
The star position was made for tweeners like Isaiah Simmons and Harold Perkins to stay on the field all 3 downs. I just wish Baker and Kelly could have sold Perkins on the position in the offseason.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:30 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Perkins played Sam in every game except Florida State last year and this board said he wasn't being used correctly
Was the Sam backer position better or worse for Perkins last year than the ILB spot he played vs FSU?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:33 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Once a blocker ties up Perk, he's done. He just doesn't seem to be able to "break free" from a blocker. Seems like a strength issue to me.
I like the Safety / Star idea for him...
I like the Safety / Star idea for him...
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:33 pm to Lsuhoohoo
It would be basically what he did as a freshman. Now his freshman role was more limited but he’s had a lot of reps in coverage since then so there’s no reason to think he couldn’t do it full time now.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:34 pm to Geauxldninja
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actually graded fairly well in coverage last year but idk how that would translate to him actually covering receivers like he would need to.
Yeah I remember some instances of him getting pulled into coverage and he did well. The thing with the star though is even though it's a hybrid safety/linebacker type position, you usually see it played most often by players who move in from the secondary right. So there's more of a comfortability in coverages, particularly man than a guy who's background is linebacker like Perk. So we'd have to see what his coverage looks like with more frequent challenges
Posted on 9/11/24 at 4:47 pm to classicgold
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Was the Sam backer position better or worse for Perkins last year than the ILB spot he played vs FSU?
Definitely better, IMO. Seems to be the position where's he's the most productive.
One thing that may look different is he played last year at around 210 lbs and is supposedly 225 now, would be interesting to see if he's still as effective outside.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 7:02 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Well according to Lonn on X, Kelly has been playing Perkins at the Star position this week in practice so we may find out Saturday how he does. One things for sure he can’t be any worse than Burns. If it gets Burns off the field I’m all for it.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:33 pm to Lsuhoohoo
So basically a drop linebacker?
Tepper was right all along
Tepper was right all along
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:38 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Perkins played Sam in every game except Florida State last year and this board said he wasn't being used correctly.
Because they didn’t blitz him. He was phenomenal in coverage though. He’s not impacting the game like he can only covering though
Posted on 9/11/24 at 8:47 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Good post.
Perkins is about do do #7 things.
Perkins is about do do #7 things.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:23 pm to r0cky1
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Because they didn’t blitz him. He was phenomenal in coverage though. He’s not impacting the game like he can only covering though
He had two less sacks in 2023, the difference was basically the Arkansas game.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:53 pm to LSUcam7
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Perkins is about do do #7 things.
Is this move official though?
Posted on 9/11/24 at 9:55 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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how do we feel about Perkins in this role?
It's probably his best option to make an consistent impact. The problem is he's been adding weight and training at ILB for the last 18 months. This switch will require less bulk and how long will it take him to grasp the several new things he'll be asked to do?
Obviously he'd be fine blitzing, but all the reads ane coverage would take time. You'd have to cross your fingers that he could become effective (not a liabilty in coverage) late in the year at best. Otherwise teams will line up a quick receiver against him in the slot and abuse him.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:36 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Man, there’s a lot to that role. What’s not mentioned above is it requires very quick and almost instinctual decision making and reaction time.
The jury is still out on Perk and why he has been unproductive as a spy and mlb. Many think it is the complexity of the role. We shall see.
The jury is still out on Perk and why he has been unproductive as a spy and mlb. Many think it is the complexity of the role. We shall see.
Posted on 9/11/24 at 10:41 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
Perkins should be playing running back.
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