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Hunting Thoughts: New Species In, Old Species Out
Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:30 am
The thread about the Whistling Ducks got me to thinking about how the species of what we hunt has changed, and is changing. My father hunted things I don't hunt. And he and I am hunting things he didn't hunt growing up. And my kids are hunting things that I didn't hunt. What things will their kids hunt that we don't hunt? What things that we hunt now, won't be hunted by our grand kids?
My father was born in 1938. He grew up hunting quail and mallard ducks. But no deer, turkey, or hogs.
Now he's 86 years old and all he hunts is deer, turkey, and hogs. The quail and ducks from his youth are gone.
When I was a kid there were no hogs. Now they are everywhere. Seems crazy to think that I might set up some habitat to have regular Canada Goose, Dove, and Mexican Whistling Duck hunts on our farm. Three species we did not hunt there as a kid.
It seems likely that my grandchildren will hunt bears. But I am afraid they won't hunt turkeys. And if CWD gets bad, maybe deer hunting will go away for a generation or two?
The only guarantee is change. And it's not all bad. Just wanted yall's thoughts.
My father was born in 1938. He grew up hunting quail and mallard ducks. But no deer, turkey, or hogs.
Now he's 86 years old and all he hunts is deer, turkey, and hogs. The quail and ducks from his youth are gone.
When I was a kid there were no hogs. Now they are everywhere. Seems crazy to think that I might set up some habitat to have regular Canada Goose, Dove, and Mexican Whistling Duck hunts on our farm. Three species we did not hunt there as a kid.
It seems likely that my grandchildren will hunt bears. But I am afraid they won't hunt turkeys. And if CWD gets bad, maybe deer hunting will go away for a generation or two?
The only guarantee is change. And it's not all bad. Just wanted yall's thoughts.
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Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:39 am to No Colors
I think deer are here to stay, but access and how we hunt them might change. My grandfather landed at Normandy and didn’t see his first deer track until he was an adult. I don’t think even CWD can cause that level of crash, as it’s endemic in plenty of places where populations are stable. There are more deer in North America today than prior to colonization. They benefit significantly from deforestation/urban sprawl when it removes closed canopies. If something causes the timber industry to crash for good, it will cause a major shakeup in how land is distributed. Maybe that makes it easier for people to own as opposed to leasing and we see more management, but it could be the opposite.
I am concerned about turkeys and will do everything in my power to ensure my son gets to experience working a fired up bird.
I am concerned about turkeys and will do everything in my power to ensure my son gets to experience working a fired up bird.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:19 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I don’t think even CWD can cause that level of crash
It's not the crash. It's that people may avoid deer hunting to avoid CJD. I am getting to the point where I may start totally processing my own deer in order to make sure there are no spinal or brain fragments that make it into the final product. I know studies say that CWD cannot be transmitted to human beings, but there are also stories coming out of hunters who eat CWD infected animals and end up with CJD. I couldn't even think of feeding CWD infected deer to me or my family.
This post was edited on 8/21/24 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:56 pm to DownSouthJukin
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couldn't even think of feeding CWD infected deer to me or my family.
Yeah. Who needs protein that bad?
To be totally honest, I eat hogs instead of venison anyhow. I just take the backstraps and the hams from hogs, and give the rest to the guys that help us around the farm. They take most of my deer whole as well.
I have found that just about any recipe you used for venison, just substiture wild hog and it's the same or usually better.
They're just a pain in the arse to fool with.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 12:58 pm to No Colors
If these liberal, nut job organizations based in DC get their way out West, I fear there are species that my son won’t even get to hunt, forget about grandkids.
We are on the frontlines right now in Colorado. They gathered up enough signatures to put an initiative to ban Mtn Lion and Bobcat hunting on the ballot this November.
No science, no biology to back it. Just morons in Boulder/Denver influenced by these national groups and their money. They put it under the guise of “trophy hunting”, which is complete bullshite of course.
They pushed through the reintroduction of Wolves the same way.
If it passes, it’s the beginning of a domino that will go to other states. And it’s only a matter of when, not if.
Up next they’d probably go after Bears and then once there’s a full ban on all big predators they’ll start going after Moose, Sheep, Goats, Elk, etc.
Help us fight it baws
Coloradans For Responsible Wildlife Management
We are on the frontlines right now in Colorado. They gathered up enough signatures to put an initiative to ban Mtn Lion and Bobcat hunting on the ballot this November.
No science, no biology to back it. Just morons in Boulder/Denver influenced by these national groups and their money. They put it under the guise of “trophy hunting”, which is complete bullshite of course.
They pushed through the reintroduction of Wolves the same way.
If it passes, it’s the beginning of a domino that will go to other states. And it’s only a matter of when, not if.
Up next they’d probably go after Bears and then once there’s a full ban on all big predators they’ll start going after Moose, Sheep, Goats, Elk, etc.
Help us fight it baws
Coloradans For Responsible Wildlife Management
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:29 pm to No Colors
Is my brain just old and making crap up, or were "whistling ducks" off limits to hunting back in the 80's and before?
I know we always had some that inhabited the tree lined bayous around our lease, but as soon as a hunter identified them when they were flying, we'd get the call to not shoot.
I know we always had some that inhabited the tree lined bayous around our lease, but as soon as a hunter identified them when they were flying, we'd get the call to not shoot.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:30 pm to Boudreaux35
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Is my brain just old and making crap up, or were "whistling ducks" off limits to hunting back in the 80's and before?
No they were always legal to shoot but were very rare back then
Posted on 8/21/24 at 1:31 pm to Ron Cheramie
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Ron Cheramie
Thanks. Now I'm wondering why we always avoided shooting them.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 2:42 pm to DownSouthJukin
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It's that people may avoid deer hunting to avoid CJD.
Not necessarily arguing with you, especially if there’s ever a direct link established to CJD, but CWD has been around a long time now and it doesn’t seem to have impacted hunting in those areas to the extent that people just stop. It’s all over Kansas. There’s also some promising evidence that deer can be genetically resistant to it, and that would imply they may be able to adapt as a population once exposed over the long term.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:04 pm to Frac the world
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They gathered up enough signatures to put an initiative to ban Mtn Lion and Bobcat hunting on the ballot this November.
Unfortunately, a lot of idiots vote based on emotion. "Save the mountain lions"
In reality, if it passes, you'll see mountain lion numbers go up which will lead to more negative interactions between lions and civilization. Lion predation on pets and livestock or attacks on people. Then the taxpayers will end up footing the bill for CPW having to pay someone to go kill lions in areas where their numbers are becoming a problem. So lions will still get killed, only now it'll be at a cost to the taxpayers instead of having hunting licenses and tags be a source of revenue for CPW. Anti-hunting crowd doesn't seem to grasp this concept.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 3:13 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Anti-hunting crowd doesn't seem to grasp this concept.
They never have.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 5:20 pm to Tiger Prawn
In addition, the state loses out on income from outlawing such hunting. No hunting --> less hunting equipment sold --> less tax revenue and no income from selling hunting licenses.
Just ends up costing the state so much in the end, especially if they get to the point where they have to pay someone to remove overpopulated and unwanted lions.
Just ends up costing the state so much in the end, especially if they get to the point where they have to pay someone to remove overpopulated and unwanted lions.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:09 pm to No Colors
I wouldn’t mind hunting a new species of an ice retaining device myself…. 
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:32 pm to No Colors
That quail thing is sad. I loved hearing them.
Posted on 8/21/24 at 7:40 pm to No Colors
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They're just a pain in the arse to fool with.
Pussy
Posted on 8/21/24 at 8:26 pm to No Colors
“We will protect that which we cherish.”
Will Primos
Will Primos
Posted on 8/21/24 at 11:50 pm to Frac the world
The mountain lion that started all that was Derek Wolfe kill. Locally famous football player killed an enormous cat so the picture got widely circulated. The voters will conveniently not be reminded that Wolfe killed that cat because the it ate an entire town worth of pets.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:35 am to Ron Cheramie
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No they were always legal to shoot but were very rare back then
Honest question, how do they taste?
Posted on 8/22/24 at 9:44 am to No Colors
I never hunted alligator until I was in my 30s. Now I do every year. And the thought of hunting bears never crossed my mind until 10 years ago. Now we are over-run with them and a hunting season is on the horizon. We have property in Tensas and I would assume that sometime in the next ten years I'll get a tag.
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