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Xs and Os or Jimmy's and Joe's?
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:29 am
SIAP ... I do not follow US National Team soccer so I do not know the intricacies.
Do we have enough talent and just need someone to implement the right style for our personnel? Again, X's and O's or Jimmy's and Joe's?
It hurts to watch these guys. IMO, the back line in the Panama game looked like they didn't even want to be there, especially the center back (Ream?).
Say we get Klopp .... do we even have the talent to compete with the top 25? Top 10?
FIFA has us at 11. I just did not see that quality out there.
I know we have Pulisic, undeniable talent, but what else?
Is this a total rebuild? New players, new culture, new strategies?
As a Liverpool fan, It would be awesome if he could replicate that success with our team.
Hopefully one of you soccer-heads can enlighten me. Thanks.
Do we have enough talent and just need someone to implement the right style for our personnel? Again, X's and O's or Jimmy's and Joe's?
It hurts to watch these guys. IMO, the back line in the Panama game looked like they didn't even want to be there, especially the center back (Ream?).
Say we get Klopp .... do we even have the talent to compete with the top 25? Top 10?
FIFA has us at 11. I just did not see that quality out there.
I know we have Pulisic, undeniable talent, but what else?
Is this a total rebuild? New players, new culture, new strategies?
As a Liverpool fan, It would be awesome if he could replicate that success with our team.
Hopefully one of you soccer-heads can enlighten me. Thanks.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:35 am to mikedatyger
I think we’ve got a mix of both. Greater opportunity creation through tactics. I think we have a weakness at striker that definitely limits this squad. Balogun needs to keep improving because we have nothing behind him.
Pepi is inconsistent, Haji is not elite, and Sargent isn’t ready until he proves otherwise.
Pepi is inconsistent, Haji is not elite, and Sargent isn’t ready until he proves otherwise.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:40 am to mikedatyger
Whatever you want to call getting a clear line of demarcation between US Soccer and the MLS.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:42 am to mikedatyger
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Say we get Klopp
Klopp declined
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Do we have enough talent and just need someone to implement the right style for our personnel? Again, X's and O's or Jimmy's and Joe's?
We have a lot of raw talent that needs refining at the national level and international level and need coaches that get the most out of what we have to create an identity.
There is no reason why we shouldn't be one of the best defensive teams in the world.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:54 am to The Pirate King
As I run through the position groups…
GK: Solid, not world class but not a weak point
RB has two good, bordering on great choices with Dest and Scally. Dest is in the great category under the right tactics and when healthy.
LB we are spoiled with one of the best in the world. I’d argue Robinson is top three at his position in the world and is a great team guy too.
CB we are solid but not elite but have a lot of bodies. Ream has become a tremendous asset so we will see what his level of play looks like in 2026. I was really excited for Miles Robinson pre-injury so maybe he bounces back. Chris Richards keeps developing. CCV is promising. We have solid CB players and depth so not a weakness of the team.
Midfield & Wingers: I’ll just group this all together. I think this is where the strength of the team lies and we need them to keep getting bettter. Weston, CP, Aaronson, Musah, Adams, Weah…that’s a core we can build around. Musah is the one that I think has elite potential. Adams is the heartbeat of the team and is a great defensive mid. CP is a mix of a winger and a midfielder so depends on the tactics of the day for where he is grouped. Weah continues to improve and has pace that is required to stretch the back line. To me, the is is the group that when it “clicks” under the right manager could be transformational. You’ve got a core group of guys that are entering prime years or just before them and the 2026 outcome lies here.
FW: I think this is where we are quite average at the moment and need Balogun to really blossom into that elite front man.
GK: Solid, not world class but not a weak point
RB has two good, bordering on great choices with Dest and Scally. Dest is in the great category under the right tactics and when healthy.
LB we are spoiled with one of the best in the world. I’d argue Robinson is top three at his position in the world and is a great team guy too.
CB we are solid but not elite but have a lot of bodies. Ream has become a tremendous asset so we will see what his level of play looks like in 2026. I was really excited for Miles Robinson pre-injury so maybe he bounces back. Chris Richards keeps developing. CCV is promising. We have solid CB players and depth so not a weakness of the team.
Midfield & Wingers: I’ll just group this all together. I think this is where the strength of the team lies and we need them to keep getting bettter. Weston, CP, Aaronson, Musah, Adams, Weah…that’s a core we can build around. Musah is the one that I think has elite potential. Adams is the heartbeat of the team and is a great defensive mid. CP is a mix of a winger and a midfielder so depends on the tactics of the day for where he is grouped. Weah continues to improve and has pace that is required to stretch the back line. To me, the is is the group that when it “clicks” under the right manager could be transformational. You’ve got a core group of guys that are entering prime years or just before them and the 2026 outcome lies here.
FW: I think this is where we are quite average at the moment and need Balogun to really blossom into that elite front man.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:57 pm to lynxcat
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GK: Solid, not world class but not a weak point
This is the weakest the USMNT has been at goalkeeper since the Meola days.
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CB we are solid but not elite but have a lot of bodies.
We are solid right now but that quickly falls off a cliff once Ream's international career ends, which could be tomorrow or 10 years from now. I've buried him like 6 times already and he keeps coming back. But after him, it's a lot of question marks. I'm not sold on Richards at all.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:16 pm to Broski
quote:Let's never forget David Vanole.
This is the weakest the USMNT has been at goalkeeper since the Meola days.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:23 pm to RedPop4
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David Vanole
RIP
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:32 pm to Broski
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This is the weakest the USMNT has been at goalkeeper since the Meola days.
Irrelevant. It’s not a weakness of the team.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:34 pm to lynxcat
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Irrelevant. It’s not a weakness of the team.
I'd argue Turner's play has been one of the weakest parts of the team as of late. He's not been the shot stopper that he was in Qatar, while his distribution has directly cost us possession and in some cases, goals.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:44 pm to Broski
Horvaths distribution was dog shite when he came in. Turner is fine…he’s an average keeper and we have been accustomed to having a top 10 shot stopper for a long time.
Gaga Slonina is the light in the tunnel…will he become who we think he can be. If so, we have our GK for the next 15 years.
Gaga Slonina is the light in the tunnel…will he become who we think he can be. If so, we have our GK for the next 15 years.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:47 pm to lynxcat
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Horvaths distribution was dog shite when he came in.
Which backs up the point that goalkeeping has been one of the weaker points of the team.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:58 pm to lynxcat
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. It’s not a weakness of the team
It 100% is, especially when we want to play out of the back. Turners distribution and ability to pass under pressure is dreadful and has cost us dearly.
Which ties directly back to the OPs question, Xs and Os can greatly impact the national team when you have a coach that wants to play a certain style but doesn't have the players for it. Greggggg was all about this and "position profiles" when selecting players and lineups. A good national team manager should build the tactics around the talent they have instead of forcing their own vision.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 3:07 pm to BCLA
Shot stopping is fine but the distribution is below average. I prioritize shot stopper as the primary function the GK hence my better rating than you.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 7/14/24 at 7:54 pm to mikedatyger
If it were about Xs and Os, the same clubs wouldn’t dominate every year
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