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United 23 - fifth plane on 9/11? (Beware, long read)

Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:35 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:35 pm
It's interesting that there may have been other planes on 9/11, it also makes me wonder if those supposed unsuccessful hijackers were "disappeared" by the government, or if they got away.

This is a TMZ documentary so obviously it isn't the most reputable of sources.

Also, it wasn't mentioned in the article but it was interesting that the pilot said one of the passengers asked him if "they got the White House" while the plane was being evacuated. I would assume the White House or Capitol was Flight 93's intended target.

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The sun was shining and there were no clouds in the sky as United Airlines captain Tom Manello went through his pre-flight checks in the early morning of 11 September, 2001.

As he did so, passengers on four other flights leaving from Boston, Newark, and Washington DC were preparing to execute a coordinated series of hijackings that ultimately kill nearly 3,000 people and ignite two decades of global warfare.

But for all the investigations and soul-searching that followed the 9/11 attacks, there are still some mysteries we haven't solved. Chief among them: was Manello's aircraft also intended to be a target?

"I now believe that it is more likely than not that we were the fifth airplane," said Manello in a TV interview. "There's a good chance that somebody was planning to try to use our airplane as a weapon of mass destruction."
That was the thesis of a new TMZ documentary called 9/11: The Fifth Plane, which aired on Fox, based on interviews with Manello and three other members of his flight crew.

The online tabloid investigated longstanding claims that United Airlines Flight 23 might actually have had its own set of hijackers aboard, who aborted their mission when the flight was delayed by pure chance.




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United 23 was due to take off around 9am from New York City's JFK Airport. Like the other planes used in 9/11, it was a cross-country flight – in this case, bound for Los Angeles – which meant that it was fully loaded with highly flammable jet fuel.

"Everything seemed perfectly normal," Manello told TMZ. "Everybody was in a good mood, everybody was happy. It was going to be a fun day."


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While boarding passengers and preparing to taxi to the runway, there were several incidents that struck crew members as strange, although they seemed harmless at the time. Flight attendant Sandy Thorngren noticed a passenger in business class who appeared highly nervous, sweating profusely despite wearing only a T-shirt in the relatively cold airplane cabin.

In first class, the purser – known in the documentary only as Deborah – got into a minor dispute about food with four passengers: a "well-built" man in a tan suit, a young boy around 6 or 7 years old, a man who seemed to be a "bodyguard", and a woman in a niqab, or full-body covering.

However, Thorngren and another flight attendant, Barbara Brockie Smaldino, became suspicious that the person in the niqab was actually a man, because they had large hands with hair on the back of them. "It was definitely a male underneath that [niqab]," Thorngren told TMZ.

The group had said that they did not eat meat, so Deborah spent a long time trying to get them fruit plates. But they were insistent they did not want to eat and wanted to take off as soon as possible, even though it would be a very long flight. One of them also asked if they could visit the cockpit, because the child really wanted to see inside.



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However, that day at JFK turned out to be unusually busy, and Flight 23 was stuck in a queue behind 10 or so other planes. Hence, it still had not taken off when a second plane hit the south tower and United's dispatcher warned all transcontinental pilots to "beware cockpit intrusion".

Pandemonium ensued as all flights across the US were grounded for fear of further hijackings and JFK Airport was evacuated. Manello and his co-pilot barricaded the door, readied improvised weapons, and taxied back to the gate while passengers frantically called their loved ones to let them know they were safe.

Then came the incident that truly alarmed the crew. Airport workers on the ground observed someone running inside the plane, visible through the portholes – after all the passengers and the crew had left. Staff had already checked the whole plane for stragglers and were quite sure nobody was left on board.


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Manello reported this to the airline, and the next day all crew members were interviewed by the FBI. Investigators found that one of the hatches in the plane's floor, leading down into electronics compartment, was open – which could not have happened before the passengers disembarked because they are bulky and block the whole aisle when raised.

"When I was talking to the FBI, and they told me those floor hatches were open, I couldn't breathe. I tried to figure out how those hatches could be opened, unless there was somebody down in the electronics area, and they opened it after we left the aircraft," said Deborah.

Worse, airline staff later found boxcutters – small knives used in at least two of the 9/11 hijackings – concealed in a seat-back pocket of another plane that had been sitting next to Flight 23. Its tail number was 6001, very close to Manello's 6002.

Joining these dots, the crew now believe that these boxcutters were planted ahead of time by an undercover terrorist, perhaps working for the airport or one of its private contractors. They were meant to be used by the hijackers, but through a simple mistake, they were put on the wrong plane.

Then, when the plot failed, someone – perhaps the same person – snuck on board Flight 23 in an attempt to remove the evidence, explaining the person seen running and the hatch left open. According to TMZ, it would have been easy enough to access the electronics compartment via a hatch on the plane's belly, before climbing up into the cabin through the inner hatch.


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There has long been speculation that the four planes hijacked on 9/11 were not the only targets. In 2004, the US government's 9/11 Commission reported that Al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed initially hoped to capture ten planes.

After the attacks, boxcutters were also found on two long-range Delta Airlines flight and an American Airlines flight. An FBI report made public last year said that the seat where they were hidden had been occupied by a Saudi Arabian pilot who had previously attracted suspicion from the agency (15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian, as was ringleader Osama bin Laden).

As early as 2011, Manello's co-pilot Carol Timmons, who later became the first female general in the Delaware National Guard, raised the question of whether the four people in first class had also been hijackers. Manello also told his story to The Florida Bulldog in 2022, and the United dispatcher said he was told that the four suspicious passengers never claimed their luggage and that "incriminating" items were found inside.

In TMZ's documentary, aviation safety expert and 9/11 historian Lynn Spencer said: "During my research, it was made very evident to me from the highest levels of our government... that there were more than just the four planes. United 23 would have become airborne right about the time of the other hijacked aircraft on September 11, and there's very little doubt in my mind that United 23 was the fifth airplane."




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Posted by Mud_Bone
Member since Dec 2021
2357 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:44 pm to

I heard they wanted to hijack 11 planes. One for each day of the Month and hit 9 targets. One for each month of the year. Then kill 2001 honkies. One for each year.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
7184 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:49 pm to
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I heard they wanted to hijack 11 planes. One for each day of the Month and hit 9 targets. One for each month of the year. Then kill 2001 honkies. One for each year.
They wanted to kill 3,168 virgins.

72 for each of the 4 hijackers on the 11 planes.
Posted by mmcgrath
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Member since Feb 2010
36899 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:22 pm to
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United 23 was due to take off around 9am from New York City's JFK Airport.
This would have been an outlier. The last plane took off from Newark around 8:40 am and that was because it was delayed. They wouldn't schedule a 5th plane nearly an hour after the first 4.
Posted by SpotCheckBilly
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:25 pm to
So what happened to those suspicious passengers?
Posted by cwil1
Member since Oct 2023
907 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:49 pm to
Wonder if they'll ever get the balls to arrest. The saudi prince who was finacing the hijackers?
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:51 pm to
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fifth plane on 9/11?


Did W make a call & tell them to hold off? First 4 were enough?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:51 pm to
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Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 8:52 pm to
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by el Gaucho

Not your best but I admire your effort.. aw I think I hurt his feelings
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 9:01 pm
Posted by Bucktail1
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:12 pm to
Your stupid shite is getting tiresome
Posted by lsuconnman
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:22 pm to
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Posted by s0tiger
Member since May 2008
988 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:31 pm to
The theory is cleaning / support contractors who had access to the planes staged the weapons, but on the wrong plane. Not the the hijackers got on a different plane, put them in the seat back and then went to a different plane. Not hard to grasp what the article is saying.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
65630 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:42 pm to
One guy also said that incriminating documents were found in luggage aboard the flight that was never claimed.
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 9:43 pm
Posted by PrideofTheSEC
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:52 pm to
I have always found this story to be fascinating.
Certainly seems plausible
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175322 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:54 pm to
While I’ve read this before and it’s an intriguing story, you could carry boxcutters and knives with less than a 4 inch blade on up to 9/11. That’s why they selected them as their weapon. No one would have to sneak them on the plane for you in advance.

They selected the departing planes deliberately because they knew they had to get them off the ground before a ground stop after the attack started. All four planes were scheduled to leave between 0745 and 0815. UA93 barely made it off the ground before the 0905 NYC ground stop. A plane leaving after 0900 doesn’t fit the bill with how many others they could have chosen.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
65630 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 9:59 pm to
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UA93 barely made it off the ground before the 0905 NYC ground stop.


Were they grounded that early?

The warnings about cockpit intrusion didn't go out until 9:20ish.
Posted by Sneauxghost
Member since Sep 2020
1284 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:04 pm to
That doesn’t explain the towers’ collapse, the missile that hit the pentagon, the lack of plane parts at the pentagon or in the field, the charges detonating in the towers and the charges detonated later that afternoon bringing down another building, I could go on for a while. Who owns TMZ?
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175322 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:05 pm to
New York airspace was shut down at 0906 right after UA175 hit the south tower. US airspace was shut down at 0945.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175322 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:08 pm to
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the lack of plane parts at the pentagon

Clearly AA livery

Posted by cwil1
Member since Oct 2023
907 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:14 pm to
Still amazing. How a guy who could barely fly a cesna. Managed to do a corkscrew descending turn. And hit the pentagon dead level. In a boeing 767. I believe a man named Phil Marshall wrote a book on how impossible that would be (the big bamboozle). A career pilot who flew 767s. He was found dead in 2013 along with his dog, daughter, and son.

9/11 always gives me the creeps. It's all so creepy.
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 10:17 pm
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