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Which nature-based South American trip would you recommend?

Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:17 pm
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:17 pm
I see there are some posters here who have traveled extensively through South America, and I wanted to run something by you

Excluding a trip to Machu Pichu, the Sacred Valley, Cusco, etc. and a trip to the areas in the far south like Tierra del Fuego, which of these would you recommend for a nature-based trip to South America?

For the sake of this thread, assume you can only pick one.

1. Amazon trip via Brazil
2. Amazon trip via Peru
3. Galápagos Islands
4. Anything else in South or Central America that you would recommend.

Thanks very much
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:29 pm to
Haven’t been to Amazon but Galapagos was phenomenal. I liked that over Patagonia or Iguazu
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:33 pm to
Thanks!

I should have said to take Iguazú off the list as well as that is something I can add on to another trip.
Posted by Tshiz
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:55 pm to
Patagonia and it’s not close
Posted by kciDAtaE
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:17 pm to
I haven’t been, but I’m very intrigued by the Atacama Desert. It’s next on my list. I actually had that booked instead of Galapagos but flight cancelled.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:30 pm to
If I can swing it, I will try to work remote from Chile for a month and use weekends and some PTO to do things like the Atacama desert, one of the lake towns, and likely Torres del Paine over the course of 5 weeks.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:02 am to
Bump for the morning crew, if any of you have been to any of the locations.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:43 pm to
From your list, for wildlife:

quote:

2. Amazon trip via Peru


There are some good lodges several miles up and down the Amazon river from Iquitos, and they have very good guides. The lodges are in the middle of pristine forest. This has the largest diversity of life, though not necessarily the easiest to see. The rainforest can be surprisingly quiet.
But there usually are monkeys around the lodges. Lex Fridman recently did a podcast from the Peruvian amazon basin that is quite good (4 hours long).



quote:

3. Galápagos Islands
- This has the most wildlife of any trip to South America, and it's pretty tame and you can get close. But not as much variety as other places. No monkeys, sloths, caymans. But the birds are everywhere (not a lot of species, though). Saltwater Iguanas, tortoises, turtles (great place to snorkel), seals, flightless cormorants, penguins. It's a fun trip.

Haven't been to Brazilian Amazon, there probably are places similar to Peruvian Amazon. A cool trip is the Brazilian Pantanal. Jaguar is pretty much guaranteed, giant anteaters, cool birds (Hyacinth Macaws and Jabiru are great there). There is a lodge where Ocelots come in at night to eat chicken they put out.

A stay at the Canopy Tower in Panama can be very good. It's a remodeled US radar tower in the canal zone. Monkeys and sloths are right outside the window. Excellent habitat because the canal zone was never developed so it's pristine. Pipeline road nearby is a near legendary birding spot.

Ecuador - both slopes out of Quito, within a few hours. There are nice lodges that can arrange things. The advantage is it is cooler than the others due to the elevation. It's my favorite birding in the world. Lots of colorful birds, and other good stuff is possible, monkeys are likely at lower elevations.
Posted by Pfft
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:04 pm to
Carretera Austral in southern Chile is something on bucket list. Travel and road side camp in a 4x4 for a couple of weeks would be fantastic. I have been researching for awhile and it looks unbelievable.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:54 pm to
Thanks very much!

I had not heard of the Panama option, and that seems interesting as well.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 6:45 am to
It's the easiest, by far. Direct flight to Panama City on Copa. The lodge picks you up at the airport, and takes care of everything. They have several very good to excellent guides. Somewhat geared to birding, but there was a group there looking only for monkeys and sloths. A couple of friends went recently on my recommendation and loved it. It's the easiest way to get started on wildlife of Central and South America imo, and honestly the wildlife and birds matched or exceeded my Costa Rica trips..
Posted by GetCocky11
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 8:45 am to
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Patagonia and it’s not close


The perfect mix of safety and beauty.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 7:12 pm to
I've done most of those things and enjoyed them.

I was just at the Galapagos in April and it was phenomenal. Most of the amazing stuff about the islands, though, is underwater. Snorkeling at Los Tuneles on Isabela and seeing seahorses and a penguin was cool, but spending time with a dozen huge turtles (getting a foot away) was amazing. Diving at Kicker Rock was one of the greatest travel experiences of my life (and I've been to 43 countries), but I know that the snorkelers on that trip had a great time as well.

Hiking in Argentine Patagonia (El Chalten) in 2020 was some of the best hiking I've ever done, and the Perito Moreno glacier is very much worth it. I did not really enjoy Bariloche, but I was there in March and it was dusty and dry. In Chile, I never made it south to Torres, but the Lake District is pretty (I would characterize it as enjoyable, but not spectacular).

I went to Iquitos in 2017 and spent three nights at a jungle lodge in the Amazon area. The Amazon itself is amazing, and I enjoyed seeing the river dolphins. Fishing for piranha is fun, etc., but I was not impressed overall with the wildlife I saw -- I saw more wildlife in less time in Panama.

You are correct not to focus a trip on Iguazu. Iguazu is amazing, but you can see everything in two days -- one on each side. It is, as you say, something that you combine with other stuff in either Brazil or Argentina.

Panama is great in that you have incredible rainforest in less than a 30-minute drive from your hotel in the capital. You can stay in the city and see the canal, enjoy the old part of the city, and then you can go to a park like Sobernia and see absolutely incredible nature. Sobernia has the world record for bird species seen in a day. And besides the birds, in my day of hiking in the park, I saw incredible blue morpho butterflies, two kinds of monkeys, coatis, amazing trees -- it's just amazing hiking.

Also in Central America, I think that you should consider Guatemala. Antigua is a great colonial city, but the mountains surrounding it are spectacular. Spend several days there, and then go to Lake Atitlan for a few days. Again, the scenery is great, but the very different villages around the lake (different Mayan tribes that speak different languages) are also really great.

I've never been to Colombia or Brazil (outside of Foz do Iguacu), I want to see Angel Falls in Venezuela some day, I want to hike in Ecuador, I've never been to Atacama/Uyuni, Lake Titicaca is great but also not the focus of a trip,

Ultimately, if you dive, then you should absolutely choose the Galapagos. If not, then it's a tough call, but I probably choose hiking in Patagonia.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 11:41 am to
Thanks very much. I’ve enjoyed reading your posts about Peru and the Patagonia region in other threads in the last few months.

Looks like Panama was a region I was definitely overlooking in terms of the wildlife.

Based on the popularity of African safari tourism versus the Brazil/Peru rainforest tourism, I guess that it is just much harder to view the animals due to the natural surroundings, including the trees and the number of animals that aren’t merely ground dwellers. Although Africa has a monopoly on most of the big cats, impalas, rhinos, etc, I figure if the Amazon’s most famous animals could be viewed with some ease, it would be a more common designation for ecotourists.

Brazil and Peru are much closer and more convenient, but it seems like Panama has some of the best wildlife views.

Other than Costa Rica, my travel in Latin America has been much more based on major cities like Medellin and Buenos Aires. This will continue if I make it to Mexico City by the end of the year.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 11:43 am
Posted by Uroblast
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 6:47 pm to
Went to Amazon lodge through Manaus Brazil. Was very interesting but can’t say I’d go back unless it was for a sport trip like fishing. Would love to go to Panama or somewhere with more diverse scenery. The Amazon was beautiful but much the same every day. Like boating around the Atchafalaya for 5 days. Great but got monotonous.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

I guess that it is just much harder to view the animals due to the natural surroundings, including the trees and the number of animals that aren’t merely ground dwellers. Although Africa has a monopoly on most of the big cats, impalas, rhinos, etc, I figure if the Amazon’s most famous animals could be viewed with some ease, it would be a more common designation for ecotourists.


Yeah, the only live jaguars that I've seen in Central or South America were in the Belize Zoo.

Did I see a tapir in Panama? Maybe. I got a quick glimpse through some trees of something that might have been one. I definitely saw toucans in Peru; mot-mots in Panama; brilliant hummingbirds in Panama; monkeys in Panama, Belize, and Peru; coatis in several places; scarlet macaws in Costa Rica.

The reason that Panama is special is that the US controlled the Canal Zone until 1979. And all of the rainforest on both sides of the Canal is the watershed for the Canal -- the operation of the Canal depends upon it (and they have struggled this year with the El Nino drought and a lack of water).

The Panama Canal is the lifeblood of the Panamanian economy (and Panama City is by far the wealthiest and most advanced city in Central America), so again, it makes sense for Panama to protect the rainforest that makes it possible.

So, that's why a great city like Panama City is literally 30 minutes away from incredible, virgin rainforest. I definitely think that Panama is way underrated in comparison to Costa Rica as an ecotourism destination.
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 7:27 pm to
Have been all over south America. Patagonia and the Amazon were both incredible. We did the Amazon through colombia (leticia). Awesome experience
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:58 pm to
Galapagos Islands all day. They only let a certain amount of tourists visit those islands each year, and they are letting less and less people because of idiot tourists ignoring laws and being destructive.

They have recently closed off certain beaches where you used to be able to walk up to tortoises and sea lions and take photographs right next to them, but people are being idiots and trying to pet the animals so they closed off the area

More of this will happen, go down there as soon as you can
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