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What happened to honesty? I'm looking at you SFP and the like.

Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:25 am
Posted by geauxkoo
Member since Oct 2021
1560 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:25 am
What happened to honesty? Why have we come to this place where it is more important to support your political party than it is to tell the truth? It's almost like millions of people bumped their head simultaneously and now they can't think clearly.

There is no rational person who can say teaching children that they can, at the drop of a hat, change their sex or gender is OK.

No rational person can look at what is going on with the Trump case in New York and conclude that it is anything other than political persecution.

No rational American can say that having open borders is good for this country.

No rational person can say that funding a war in Ukraine is good for the United States or Ukraine.

No rational person can say that, based on 3 years of evidence, Joe Biden is the best candidate to run this country.

Don't get me wrong, the right has their faults and we are guilty of some of the same things. The difference, so it appears, is that a large swath of people, mostly the left, refuse to have productive debates about our differences. They simply cannot give a straight answer when asked a direct question. So I'm going to ask some direct questions; however, my feeling is they will be eerily quiet and absent from this thread.

In return I will happily answer any of your direct questions as openly and honestly as I can.

1. Do you agree with the US having open borders?
2. Do you support teaching trans ideology to minors?
3. Do you agree with sending billions of dollars to Ukraine?
4. Do you think Joe Biden is the best candidate for POTUS?
5. Do you think Trump is being politically persecuted?
6. Do you agree with allowing illegal aliens to vote? Even in local elections?
7. Do you agree with the forgiveness of billions in student loans? Please explain how this is not an attempt to buy votes.
8. Do you agree with letting biological men compete against biological women in sports?

I'll hang up an listen.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282434 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:27 am to
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What happened to honesty?


They traded it for popular opinion
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 7:28 am
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
10538 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:29 am to
Dan Bongino put this as succinctly as I’ve ever heard. They’re the “anti- anti-communists.”

Translation- we’re the anti-communists. These people are trained to take the exact opposite position of WHATEVER it is that we do, no matter what the subject matter is.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15009 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:30 am to
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What happened to honesty? I'm looking at you SFP


TDS
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
12460 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:30 am to
Honesty is WAY LOWER on the totem pole for leftists than winning is. It's partly why they are so successful and have dominated the culture.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
15035 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:31 am to
The left have dark souls and worship Moloch.
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
3709 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:33 am to
OP, i’ve asked the same questions to these liberal idiots on this board and even more questions added, the simple answer is that they cannot answer it, and they always skate around it!

one thing I always add to this is for them to list some policies that Biden & Obama did for this country that they like and why?

they don’t answer of course.

and then i always close with “Please take yourself and liberal retard friends and go volunteer to fight these wars & also sign up to take in some illegals into your house while your overseas fighting the wars”.

all i get is crickets, screw the liberal a-holes like SFP!
Posted by DunbartonLATiger
Member since Apr 2024
353 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:34 am to
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There is no rational person


That's the point...these people aren't rational. They are truly mentally ill people, and the supporters of them are just as mentally ill. It is unimaginable that people want to brainwash kids to act like this. But yes, people like SFP, truly support all of this.....just like SFP believes Trump should be prosecuted in everything they are trying to do to him...literally have a judge on the seat that will not allow a critical expert witness that would blow it all up to testify....they know that it will not hold up, and don't even care if it does...as long as they can keep him off the campaign trail and continue to make him look guilty. This judge should be imprisioned and barred. It is unbelievable what is happening in this great country, and people like SFP are cheering it on. My guess is that SFP looks a lot like that Judge.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 7:37 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451968 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:35 am to
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What happened to honesty

My primary function on this board these days is to correct lies/mistruths and try to redirect people back to reality, while refusing to be a hypocrite and maintaining my values (so we can add honor into the mix).

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1. Do you agree with the US having open borders?

Depends on what else we do. Open borders and no domestic welfare state + replacing China with Central America would be ideal. There are scenarios where more open borders is not scary, and everyone within our hemisphere benefits, ultimately (at the expense of China, primarily, so a triple victory).

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2. Do you support teaching trans ideology to minors?

You have to define lots of these words before any discussion can be had.

Do I think parents should be able to teach their children about people being trans? Yes.

Do I think public schools should be pushing any ideology? No. No religion. No social justice. Nothing.

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3. Do you agree with sending billions of dollars to Ukraine?

This is another question that needs a lot more nuance and context and is unanswerable in any attempt at honesty as written.

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4. Do you think Joe Biden is the best candidate for POTUS?

No.

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5. Do you think Trump is being politically persecuted?

In New York, maybe, but it's the weakest case.

The other cases arise from Trump's stupidity after losing the election and engaging in extremely risky behavior that opened up the door for investigation/prosecution. This continued through possible obstruction of justice in the documents case (which is the strongest charge against him, currently).

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6. Do you agree with allowing illegal aliens to vote? Even in local elections?

No. That violates the Constitution.

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7. Do you agree with the forgiveness of billions in student loans?

Again, this is a subject with a lot more layers/nuance than your question covers, so you need to clean it up to create an honest discussion.

There are Congressional acts that forgive SLs. Do I agree that these laws exist and are executable? Yes. I do not think that's what you're asking.

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Please explain how this is not an attempt to buy votes.

PSLF was passed under Bush, so are you arguing the GOP tried to buy votes?

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8. Do you agree with letting biological men compete against biological women in sports?

Only in open competitions not divided by sex, but ultimately this is up to the individual participants and the markets.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451968 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:35 am to
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Translation- we’re the anti-communists. These people are trained to take the exact opposite position of WHATEVER it is that we do, no matter what the subject matter is.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59487 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:36 am to
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What happened to honesty? I'm looking at you SFP and the like.



A good number support communism.

A good number are easily manipulatable due to emotional thinking and don't realize they are supporting communism when they begin to do it (SFP)
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
21257 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:36 am to
Rational and leftist are contradictory terms
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282434 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:36 am to
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That's the point...these people aren't rational.


They try really hard to appear rational, but all they are doing is following pop opinion.

Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
12460 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:39 am to
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My primary function on this board these days is to correct lies/mistruths and try to redirect people back to reality,

Stopped at this whopper right here. No need to continue reading his lies.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451968 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:40 am to
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A good number are easily manipulatable due to emotional thinking and don't realize they are supporting communism when they begin to do it (SFP)

In what way do I support communism?

My biggest beef with Trump is his Leftist economics.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282434 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:40 am to
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Rational and leftist are contradictory terms


Many people who exhibit signs of the Dunning Kruger effect believe they are rational when in truth they are emotional.

The word "conspiracy theory" or "Q" and watch who shows up spewing emotion.

Not that theres anything wrong with emotion, its half of the equation. You just have to learn to use it to your benefit.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 7:41 am
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25481 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:41 am to
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Open borders and no domestic welfare state


Welfare state isn't going anywhere, so this is a non-starter.

Shut the border down.

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In New York, maybe, but it's the weakest case.


Shapiro went over the timeline of all the cases against Trump. It's a slow rolling, constant, treadmill of negative press for the national press that, coincidentally, will last right up until the election.

It's by design.
Posted by DunbartonLATiger
Member since Apr 2024
353 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:42 am to
You are truly a mentally ill sick fk and the irony here is that you think that you are coming across as sophisticated and smart. You are probably a very liberal woman, but if you are a man, my guess is you look like the judges on the civil and now this case...why do they all have that look? They were selected to do what exactly they are doing on these cases and that is not allowing a fair trial at all. They will all be overturned, because anyone with a rational/objective brain understands what is going on...in the frickING U.S. It is so hard to believe we have turned into this, with these absolute mentally ill people leading the way. I'm not wasting another second on a mentally ill nut job like you SFP....you are disgusting and a liar and an activist for pedos I'd suggest others just quit communicating with this absolute mentally ill person. I know I will.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451968 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:43 am to
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Welfare state isn't going anywhere, so this is a non-starter.

But he asked a universal question. I agree, his questions were bad.

Posted by TygerTyger
Houston
Member since Oct 2010
10309 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:43 am to
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Stopped at this whopper right here. No need to continue reading his lies.


Don’t forget his mention of “honor” right after that. HA!
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