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re: Israel should give Biden a choice of two, and only two, options:
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:25 pm to holdem Tiger
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:25 pm to holdem Tiger
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n 1982, at a closed-door meeting of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Biden had threatened Begin with cutting off military aid for Israel’s offensive campaign in Lebanon. As Tevi Troy noted in the Wall Street Journal, the story went that Begin responded in fiery outrage:
Don’t threaten us with cutting off aid to give up our principles. I’m not a Jew with trembling knees. I am a proud Jew with 3,700 years of civilized history. Nobody came to our aid when we were dying in the gas chambers and ovens. Nobody came to our aid when we were striving to create our country. We paid for it. We fought for it. We died for it. We will stand by our principles. We will defend them. And, when necessary, we will die for them again, with or without your aid.
Exactly.
So, Israel should implement Option 1, in your opinion?
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:32 pm to Old Money
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Boomers love the thought of Americans dying for israel. OP, I couldn’t have written satire this good. You’re a good goy for this!
I was simply placing myself in the shoes of Israel and thinking about what options they may have.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:41 pm to Champagne
Palestinian immigrants..Are you nuts? Average IQ of like 78...all inbred and most are terrorist nuts...not a good plan.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:48 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Palestinian immigrants..Are you nuts? Average IQ of like 78...all inbred and most are terrorist nuts...not a good plan.
VERY good plan for Israel, though.
Do you think that Israel might be trying to persuade the USA to take in all of these Palestinians? That would solve a big problem for Israel.
I think that Israel can pull it off. I do expect the USA to take in some millions of Pally refugees to live here permanently and there's not a damn thing that you or I can do to stop it.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:27 pm to Champagne
Israel was and remained an ally to the US when the US invaded sovereign Muslim Nations and killed tens of thousands of military and civilian people and took blame for said support. Did Israel try to run our war strategy? Biden et al can cut the support and money from Israel but they cannot morally dictate the policy required for self preservation. Israel cannot survive with a radical and martyrdom minded Muslim State right up against them. Hell, a relative handful of Muslim fanatics have virtually shut down America’s most advanced educational institutions and are fomenting violent rebellion and real insurrection.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:33 pm to RCDfan1950
So, Israel should exercise Option 1, in your opinion?
And the USA should provide all of the 2,000 pound bombs that Israel says it needs to raze Rafah to the ground and kill every living human being left in Rafah?
I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm asking for anybody's opinion. If Israel's intent is to kill every man, woman and child left in Rafah with 2,000 pound bombs, should the USA sell those bombs to Israel?
If yes, should the USA help Israel to aim those bombs at the targets that Israel selects?
And the USA should provide all of the 2,000 pound bombs that Israel says it needs to raze Rafah to the ground and kill every living human being left in Rafah?
I'm just asking for your opinion. I'm asking for anybody's opinion. If Israel's intent is to kill every man, woman and child left in Rafah with 2,000 pound bombs, should the USA sell those bombs to Israel?
If yes, should the USA help Israel to aim those bombs at the targets that Israel selects?
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:42 pm to RCDfan1950
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Israel was and remained an ally to the US when the US invaded sovereign Muslim Nations and killed tens of thousands of military and civilian people and took blame for said support. Did Israel try to run our war strategy?
The U.S. doesn't rely on billions of aid yearly from Israel just to guarantee its existence.Israel has been the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid over the last 50 years and its not even close. Israel would have been wiped off the map a long time ago if not for U.S. support.
Israel doesn't dictate to the U.S. We do the dictating even if it comes from an idiot like Biden.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:48 pm to Champagne
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applies the Joe Biden Rules of Warfare and gets the job done that way
What? Are they gonna bribe their way out of it?
Biden has no rules of actual warfare- just bribes, selling influence, blackmail, and lies. Besides, he has no idea what century he’s in. As long as he has his ice cream, he’s good.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:02 pm to Champagne
The quote completely ignores the fact that the allies defeated the Germans to end the holocaust and practically gave the Jews Isreal in 1948, weapons and defence technology.
It ignores the foreign aid given to Isreal year after year and the buy outs to surrounding countries.
I support American intrests first. If you're goal is Zionism move to Isreal.
It ignores the foreign aid given to Isreal year after year and the buy outs to surrounding countries.
I support American intrests first. If you're goal is Zionism move to Isreal.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:07 am to 14&Counting
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Israel doesn't dictate to the U.S. We do the dictating even if it comes from an idiot like Biden.
In your opinion, what should the USA be "dictating" to Israel right now? Biden is "dictating" some things to Israel right now. Do you agree with what he's telling Israel? If not, what should the USA dictate to Israel now with regard to this war?
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:15 am to Timetoflap
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I support American intrests first. If you're goal is Zionism move to Isreal.
That's a reasonable position, in my opinion. However, it seems to me that the majority of the American people disagree with that. They want the USA to support Israel and let Israel do whatever Israel thinks it needs to do to survive AND the majority of the American people want the USA to help Israel do this with no strings attached.
That seems to be the majority view to me.
For those who think that the USA should have "strings attached" or constraints applied to Israeli warfighting in exchange for US military assistance, I would like to know more about the nature of these "strings attached".
I can't seem to get any discussion going on these questions. What is the majority view here in the USA? Why do people hold that view?
If the US should provide military assistance - Whether there should be strings attached to US military assistance?
Or should we just write Israel a blank check and say: we don't care how you do it - here are your bombs - use them in any manner that you see fit. We don't want to know about it.
I can't seem to get people around here talking about these questions.
And then there's the question of the USA taking in these Palestinians as new US immigrants and future voting US citizens. Israel would love for that to happen. Most Americans seem to be against that, but, the American people are powerless to stop that from happening if the USA decides to help Israel in that manner.
This post was edited on 5/11/24 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:19 am to Champagne
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That seems to be the majority view to me.
If the only environments you’re exposed to are retirement homes and this board.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:24 am to Damone
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If the only environments you’re exposed to are retirement homes and this board.
You get beat up a lot on this board and so do I.
I'm asking you to share what you know from other environments with regard to what are the opinions of my fellow Americans on these questions.
Can you share with us what you know of with regard to different opinions. My observation is that most Americans want the USA to provide unlimited military assistance to Israel and they don't want Joe Biden telling Israel how to use those military assets, such as bombs. Please tell me that you can articulate other views of these questions. Thanks.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:31 am to Champagne
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Allow us (Israel) to conquer Rafah
They still can. We're not sending troops/jets to prevent them from finishing Hamas off.
It is interesting, though. All the pro-Hamas retards on this board screaming "genocide!" every chance they get are probably beating off to the news that Biden won't continue supplying Israel with the smart munitions they had been so far.
Do you dumb fricks think the civilian body count will worsen or improve if Israel lacks advanced targeting weaponry? If you really cared about the Palestinians you'd want those advanced munitions to keep flowing.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:41 am to Azkiger
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They still can
My take is that Israel right now has all of the JDAMs and bombs it needs to take the rest of Gaza including Rafah. I'm sure that Israel has a large stockpile of munitions that they purchased from the USA (with the money that the USA gave to them).
I'd like to direct the conversation away from the crude and emotional outbursts that we see from the Pro Palestine campus protesters. People want to respond to that pure emotional outburst with an emotional outburst of their own.
I'm trying to burst through the emotion and generate some thoughtful discussion.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:53 am to Champagne
frick Israel
Posted on 5/11/24 at 9:58 am to Azkiger
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All the pro-Hamas retards on this board
This is your imagination.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 10:04 am to RCDfan1950
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Israel was and remained an ally to the US when the US invaded sovereign Muslim Nations and killed tens of thousands of military and civilian people and took blame for said support. Did Israel try to run our war strategy?
Israel has been heavily involved in influencing every invasion we have conducted in the past 25 years. They begged us to invade Iraq, Syria, and Iran. They got their wish with the first two, but never have with the third and have been trying to get it started ever since. Netanyahu periodically will ask the US president to strike Iran year after year.
Do none of y’all pay attention to anything?
This thread is absolutely lunatic shite btw. I really am thoroughly disappointed with most of you.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 10:06 am to RCDfan1950
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Israel was and remained an ally to the US when the US invaded sovereign Muslim Nations
How were they an ally? How many troops did they contribute?
Posted on 5/11/24 at 10:55 am to OBReb6
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Do none of y’all pay attention to anything?
My observation is that most folks would much rather the emotional outburst mode of expression rather than the logical thoughtful conversation mode of expression.
That's OK. Probably 90 percent of the American people are exactly that way.
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