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re: The Anti Populist Crowd
Posted on 4/27/24 at 9:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/27/24 at 9:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
Tarrifs
Well we might used tarrifs to continued to produce computer chips as a way of preventing ww3 over Tiawan.
We might could have used tarrifs to maintain enough heavy industry to produce artillery shells at a rate of more than 5% of what the Russians can do.
We have exported our manufacturing and your response is that we should stop being ignorant, lazy yahoos and develop relevant skills.
But then, when we learn python programming, you import Indians with HB1 visas, whom you pay 40% less and house 5 or 6 to an apartment. You
make us train them. Then, you lay us off.
You tap your foot as illegals flood in. You hire them, WHICH IS ILLEGAL, for profits sake, and then you harp on free enterprise.
Well we might used tarrifs to continued to produce computer chips as a way of preventing ww3 over Tiawan.
We might could have used tarrifs to maintain enough heavy industry to produce artillery shells at a rate of more than 5% of what the Russians can do.
We have exported our manufacturing and your response is that we should stop being ignorant, lazy yahoos and develop relevant skills.
But then, when we learn python programming, you import Indians with HB1 visas, whom you pay 40% less and house 5 or 6 to an apartment. You
make us train them. Then, you lay us off.
You tap your foot as illegals flood in. You hire them, WHICH IS ILLEGAL, for profits sake, and then you harp on free enterprise.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 9:58 am
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 9:56 am to RiverCityTider
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You tap your foot as illegals flood in. You hire them, WHICH IS ILLEGAL, for profits sake, and then you harp on free enterprise.
All you populists are doing is making your case against free enterprise.
Virtually anything can be solved with economics. Yet populists demand activist government instead.
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/27/24 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
You "trandional conservatives" have no answers. Mass illegal immigration of slave labor as a means of driving down wages is NOT free enterprise.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 10:02 am to RiverCityTider
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You "trandional conservatives" have no answers
Classical economics. Dont spend more than you bring in, stop feeding the "deep state" and develop industry in Mexico and S. American, instead of China and most of your problems get solved.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 10:05 am to RiverCityTider
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Do they just yern for the days of Mitt Romney?
This is pretty much it.
Pierre Delecto is their leader.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 10:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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All you populists are doing is making your case against free enterprise.
Squatter’s have rights according to people like you.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 10:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Why do you constantly lie?
You have constantly stated you don’t think the estate tax exemption should have doubled. In fact you said “frick no” when asked directly. It is you that constantly lies. It is you mad at the elite. It is you who is a populist.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 12:06 am to RiverCityTider
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Tarrifs
Well we might used tarrifs to continued to produce computer chips as a way of preventing ww3 over Tiawan.
Per Roger the USA has always been socialist.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:16 am to TigerDoc
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Good 2-part post. I would just add the dimension that populism takes its authority to come from "the people" but when counted, populists typically amount to a minority of the whole population. They sometimes try to elide this by squinting at the whole population and defining the people down to "the true people", "virtuous people" who are in the coalition advancing the populist framing. So, it's basically a way of a minoritarian politics to claim a sense of legitimacy as being majoritarian.
Excellent point. The True Scotsman Fallacy.
One thing that has led Americans astray—and it's the leftist populists who have done this, but the right is picking it up—is the narrative of "Democracy" and a government "of the people, for the people, and by the people."
Sure, phrases like that exist in our documents of independence (most people don't remember that the specific phrase I just quotes was not; it was in a presidential speech), but they don't mean what populists today take them to mean.
The founding fathers intended a constitutional representative republic with the constitution providing the limit on what government could do, and they did NOT intend for just anybody to be able to participate in the representation. They put filters on it. You had to be a white male landowner to be eligible to vote.
They intended that we have a system run by "elites."
Because they knew that populist systems are dangerous and unstable, with pure democracies being the worst.
The simple, obvious (yet obscured by well over 100 years of narratives to the contrary) fact is that there are lots and lots of people in America who really don't have any business determining public policy and shouldn't be voting.
Again, this is obvious. We don't let five year olds vote. The populists here love to talk about how white suburban women having the vote has ruined the country...they have no problem with the premise.
But like so many things, they can't extract the general principle and apply it to different context.
If they could, they'd first realize that the general principle dictates that even THEY believe in government. by the "elite." They just have a different definition of where the cutoff line is for separating the commons from the elites.
And second, it would occur to them that if white suburban women shouldn't be voting, probably someone who believes that the government can control the weather shouldn't be voting either.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:17 am to BBONDS25
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You have constantly stated you don’t think the estate tax exemption should have doubled.
bullshite. Youre simply illiterate.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:19 am to davyjones
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Well, if this were a weather related discussion forum I feel certain that the nuances of snow would come into play. But of course it’s instead a political discussion forum where the nuances of “populism” are indeed squarely on the table for discussion and debate, and as you can see I was exactly correct about the unsettled nature of what populism even is, and most people proceed with their own personal interpretation and version of the concept and presume that theirs is right and everyone else’s is wrong.
Yes, you were proven correct.
People denying obvious, simple reality and obfuscating to avoid admitting what they don’t want to admit = populism being impossible to define.
Wow. I can't believe how right you were.
Look, I explained very clearly what I’m talking about. If you don’t want to call it populism, fine. Call it something else. Call it Wakaism if you want.
The terms and all of the pseudo intellectual mental masturbation to avoid reality are not what I’m concerned with. The easily observable, common phenomenon that I described is what I am interested in.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 7:29 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:26 am to BCreed1
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Per Roger the USA has always been socialist.
Your socialism comes from the propensity to cut taxes AND raise spending.
They call this Modern Monetary Theory, and its horribly backwards.
Conservatives want low taxes, low spending
Liberals want big spending, high taxes
Progressives love debt. Someone else down the road will always pay the bill.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:41 am to wackatimesthree
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The terms and all of the pseudo intellectual mental masturbation to avoid reality are not what I’m concerned with.
The funny thing is a lot of the same people see it for what it is when their opposition attempts it.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/lawfare-how-is-this-defined-and-how-can-it-be-legally-stopped/113161527/
Posted on 4/28/24 at 8:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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bullshite. Youre simply illiterate.
Do you support the portion of 2017 TCJA that doubled the estate tax exemption? Yes or no?
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 8:38 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:29 am to Flats
Some of you guys are useless idiots with Delusions of grandeur.
We try to have a substantive discussion on the maga movement and you refuse.
Voting Rights
At the Constitutional Convention, the framers did not explicitly include restrictions based on property, race, or gender in the Constitution regarding who could vote for federal offices such as members of Congress or the president. Instead, they left the determination of voter qualifications primarily to the individual states.
The matter was debated. It was decided that states would make the determination. In certain states, women, blacks, and non-landowners were allowed to vote.
But let me ask you people who point to this a question. Do you own 100 acres of unimproved land or 25 acres of improved land? Because in some states, you would not have been considered an elite and would have been denied the right to vote.
Let me ask you another question. Would you be willing to take an oath that you are a believer in or follower of Jesus Christ? If you refuse, in certain states you would not have been allowed to vote. Or if you were Catholic or a Jew.
Are you a veteran? In certain states you would not have been allowed to vote if you are not.
In fact, if you don't qualify, your not the only one.
In certain states, the above founders would not been allowed to vote.
The reality is, bureaucracts & billionaires control this country, and with money, not votes. And I don't think we have many billionaires on this board.
George Soros hand picks or DAs in many instances, and he's not even a citizen.
So stop it with your elitist bull shite. Your not elite by their standards.
We try to have a substantive discussion on the maga movement and you refuse.
Voting Rights
At the Constitutional Convention, the framers did not explicitly include restrictions based on property, race, or gender in the Constitution regarding who could vote for federal offices such as members of Congress or the president. Instead, they left the determination of voter qualifications primarily to the individual states.
The matter was debated. It was decided that states would make the determination. In certain states, women, blacks, and non-landowners were allowed to vote.
But let me ask you people who point to this a question. Do you own 100 acres of unimproved land or 25 acres of improved land? Because in some states, you would not have been considered an elite and would have been denied the right to vote.
Let me ask you another question. Would you be willing to take an oath that you are a believer in or follower of Jesus Christ? If you refuse, in certain states you would not have been allowed to vote. Or if you were Catholic or a Jew.
Are you a veteran? In certain states you would not have been allowed to vote if you are not.
In fact, if you don't qualify, your not the only one.
quote:
Thomas Paine: Property, Religion (Deist)
Robert Morris: Residency, Land
George Mason: Property
John Hancock: Residency
John Adams: Religion (Unitarian)
John Carroll: Religion (Catholic)
Roger Sherman: Religion (Congregationalist)
James Wilson: Religion (Presbyterian)
Baron von Steuben: Citizenship
John Laurens: Race
John Dickinson: Military Experience
Samuel Adams: Property
Patrick Henry: Religion (Anglican, Anti-Federalist)
In certain states, the above founders would not been allowed to vote.
The reality is, bureaucracts & billionaires control this country, and with money, not votes. And I don't think we have many billionaires on this board.
George Soros hand picks or DAs in many instances, and he's not even a citizen.
So stop it with your elitist bull shite. Your not elite by their standards.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:33 am to RiverCityTider
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We try to have a substantive discussion on the maga movement
The thread is titled anti populit crowd.
Are we not supposed to discuss populism?
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
You might start by addressing specifics. One of the the characters of maga according to your "crowd" is that we believe in idiotic conspiracies.
Three popular ones are climate change, election fraud, and censorship.
What do you "true conservatives" think of these "crazy conspiracy theories".
By the way, every left wing talking head takes shots a "conspiracy theorists". Are they elite like you?
Why not just say it? "Climate Change is real." "Elections are free and fair", "There is no government interference in free speech."
If maga is full of crazy conspiricists, then step up and explain how crazy we are.
Three popular ones are climate change, election fraud, and censorship.
What do you "true conservatives" think of these "crazy conspiracy theories".
By the way, every left wing talking head takes shots a "conspiracy theorists". Are they elite like you?
Why not just say it? "Climate Change is real." "Elections are free and fair", "There is no government interference in free speech."
If maga is full of crazy conspiricists, then step up and explain how crazy we are.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:54 am to RiverCityTider
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You might start by addressing specifics. One of the the characters of maga according to your "crowd" is that we believe in idiotic conspiracies.
Everything that doesnt turn out your way isnt a conspiracy. Thats where I have issues with the die hard MAGA crowd.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Everything that doesnt turn out your way isnt a conspiracy. Thats where I have issues with the die hard MAGA crowd.
Non responsive. He asked you about three topics specifically.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Everything that doesnt turn out your way isnt a conspiracy. Thats where I have issues with the die hard MAGA crowd
You have nothing.
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