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I'll mention three commonly held conspiracies and the "traditional conservatives" can debunk them.

1. Climate change is a hoax.

We believe that climate change is a conspiracy to deindustriaize the West. We believe it is based on faulty science. We think renewable energy reliance is currently unworkable and lead to inflation and shortages. We also note that industry has aquieced to this to our detriment

2. Election Integrity

We believe that mass mail in ballots are a cover for cheating, with dubious chain of custody and limited signature verification. It isn't difficult to swing an election with back door mail in ballots deliveries.

3. Censorship

We believe the government and their NGOs conspire with tech companies to censor certain views.

I'll address those if you'll tell me whether you believe these three common conspiracies:

1. The 2020 election was stolen by manufacturing and placing tens of millions of false votes.

2. Biden is allowing illegals into the country in order to arm them to subdue the American citizens in an act of government tyranny.

3. Any military action involving pushing back against Putin or supporting Israel is an unnecessary grift and neither supports American interests.

Bonus: The US government can control the weather.

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Posted by LegalEazyE

Madison, Wisconsin

Member since Nov 2023

2349 posts

Posted on 4/29/24 at 4:53 pm to RiverCityTider

TDS bro. There's no reason to analyze it any further. Trump absolutely broke their sanity and if they ever were, they are no longer objective, rationale beings. They are eaten up with anger and hurt fee fees.

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Posted by wackatimesthree

Member since Oct 2019

4020 posts

Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:54 pm to RiverCityTider

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You "trandional conservatives" have no answers. Mass illegal immigration of slave labor as a means of driving down wages is NOT free enterprise.

Idiotic. Of course it has an answer.

Traditional conservatism on immigration is that you can either have open borders and no welfare state (and no voting rights or citizenship), or you can have a welfare state and a pathway to citizenship, but you must control the border.

That's straight from Milton Friedmen. That's an easy answer. Assuming we're going to maintain our welfare state, we have to control the border.

But I'd like to examine your dialogue here, because you unintentionally proved many of my points regarding Wackaism.

First of all, calling people who go to great lengths and pay coyotes to get them across the border "slaves" is simply hyperbolic nonsense that you should have been ashamed to type.

Second, yes, that's exactly what a free labor market looks like. You can attempt to discredit it by calling it illegal, but it's only illegal for the reason that Friedman said. The laws are only to protect/preserve government benefits and entitlements...not because there is anything inherently immoral or exploitive about someone in Mexico deciding that he is willing to work in the US for $8 an hour and going out of his way to travel here to do so.

And it only "drives down wages" because wages for unskilled labor are already artificially propped up by minimum wage laws.

I'd also like to point out that—just like I said in my first post on this thread—you either don't know what conservatism and conservatives are, or you are intentionally mischaracterizing us.

As I have said on here many times before, conservatism is almost dead. As in, the priest has been called in to give last rites.

Not many Republicans are very conservative these days. So again, pointing at, say, John McCain as an example of a "traditional conservative" is either disingenuous or intentionally misleading.

However, as I ALSO have pointed ot many times here, I don't understand what good it does to abandon conservatism for an alternative philosophy that is even LESS conservative.

If I drop my cell phone screen-down on the pavement, that sucks. But why would my subsequent reaction to that be to stomp on it and then kick it? How does that help?

That's how I feel about the Republican party being co-opted by populists.

And given the post you just made, you don't want conservative Republicans. A conservative would laugh at what you just wrote.

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Posted by BCreed1

Alabama

Member since Jan 2024

1196 posts

Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:55 pm to wackatimesthree

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Traditional conservatism on immigration is that you can either have open borders and no welfare state (and no voting rights or citizenship), or you can have a welfare state and a pathway to citizenship, but you must control the border.

No no. You can have a merit based immigration and no welfare states. You can have a closed border and no welfare state. etc.

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That's straight from Milton Friedmen.

You say that as a badge of honor. Friedman is not right about alot of things. The results are in. Example, Friedman agreed with Keynes that an economy could be managed by government, and it was his belief that prices not only could but should be managed—?by the central bank controlling the amount of new money entering the system.

Hayek stated it right. “In one respect, Milton Friedman is still a Keynesian, not on monetary theory but on methodology,” "Milton Friedman is one of the apostles of macroeconomics."

Free Trade is like communism..... on paper, It's a great idea. In practice, the end result is not great!

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Second, yes, that's exactly what a free labor market looks like. You can attempt to discredit it by calling it illegal, but it's only illegal for the reason that Friedman said.

No no no. It's illegal because it's breaking our immigration laws.