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re: Ukraine scraps service limit - ‘At war until you die’
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:18 pm to LSUbest
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:18 pm to LSUbest
We're approaching the twilight days of the western theater in WW II where German boys and elderly men are being sent to fight. This is when it's time to put down the guns and sue for peace.
You are hopelessly defeated. No amount of foreign aid is going to change that.
You are hopelessly defeated. No amount of foreign aid is going to change that.
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:20 pm to TBoy
quote:Nations have lost wars since the dawn of time.
So is ours. But at least it’s ours. Being subjects of Moscow shouldn’t be acceptable to anyone but a Russian.
It's not pretty. But, it happens. It's easy to say, "fight until the last man is standing" when you aren't going to be one of the men dying, or one of wives widowed, or one of the children orphaned.
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:37 pm to WonTonDonWon
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Care to explain?
At this late stage, if that needs further explication, I honestly don’t think we will have any sort of productive conversation — I will be wasting both my time and yours.
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:39 pm to HubbaBubba
This. It's basically another South Vietnam except we're just wasting money and armaments at this point and not American soldiers' lives....yet. Instead of Bell helicopters and M16s we're sending over javelins. History is sadly repeating itself.
Ukraine is not our ally. We don't need their grain or natural gas. They are of no strategic importance to us. A Russian victory in Ukraine is not going to cause a domino effect and lead to Russia overrunning western Europe. Russia can't even protect its own citizens right now.
I encourage all fighting age Americans who have bleeding hearts for Ukraine to go over there and join the fight. I know some have.
Ukraine is not our ally. We don't need their grain or natural gas. They are of no strategic importance to us. A Russian victory in Ukraine is not going to cause a domino effect and lead to Russia overrunning western Europe. Russia can't even protect its own citizens right now.
I encourage all fighting age Americans who have bleeding hearts for Ukraine to go over there and join the fight. I know some have.
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:41 pm to Wishing Well
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Nations have lost wars since the dawn of time.
It's not pretty. But, it happens. It's easy to say, "fight until the last man is standing" when you aren't going to be one of the men dying, or one of wives widowed, or one of the children orphaned.
Give me freedom or give me death. Who wears the pants or panties in your family? You think this war is so one-sided? In the history of all wars? That Ukraine can't pull out a victory? If you look at this war with your red-tinted glasses, if not you would see this war is far from decided.
Again wishful thinking. You're just hoping and wishing for Russia, totalitarianism, and wickedness to win because that's what you want in the USA. Bitch Made F. There would have never been an underdog that has ever won with a fruit cake attitude like that. There would never be a smaller guy that won a fight against a bigger guy.
Trump likes Russia. Russia helped Trump. It's so see-through. Anyone standing up for Russia and Putin is a Lacky coward.
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:43 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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At this late stage, if that needs further explication, I honestly don’t think we will have any sort of productive conversation — I will be wasting both my time and yours.
Fair enough
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:49 pm to WonTonDonWon
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Ukraine will have enough to be good until the West can catch up. Ukraine doesn't have an issue with small arms ammunition if that's what you mean. Patriot missiles which has just been solved. Thier getting F16 soon. Keep up homie.
They’re not getting large deliveries of heavy weapons anymore. They have what they have, and what they need is either out of production or is produced in low volume. The shortages they have today in everything from artillery to armor are bad, and they’re getting worse. And the number of aircraft we’ve discussed is insufficient for their purposes. They need 160, not 40. And it’s not obvious how they will fly them out of bases on Ukraine.
This post was edited on 4/14/24 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 4/14/24 at 10:51 pm to cwill
This is impossible to predict from the outside, you’d have to be there and talk to people, but I wonder if a collapse is possible.
Posted on 4/14/24 at 11:05 pm to Lima Whiskey
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They’re not getting large deliveries of heavy weapons anymore. They have what they have, and what they need is either out of production or is produced in low volume. The shortages they have today in everything from artillery to armor are bad, and they’re getting worse. And the number of aircraft we’ve discussed is insufficient for their purposes. They need 160, not 40. And it’s not obvious how they will fly them out of bases on Ukraine.
You are behind the times, Get with it or get out. Or google something. You have no excuse for this uninformed post.
Edit: I suggest a YaTube channel Kings and Generals. They go over wars and battles throughout history. Maybe ya'll can learn something about war.
60 f16s will wipe the floor with Russia's shitty aircraft.
Do you know anything about anything? Does this come straight out of your hole?
This post was edited on 4/14/24 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 4/14/24 at 11:26 pm to Geronimo
I am pretty sure Ukraines biggest economy is Only Fan girls. ??
Posted on 4/14/24 at 11:32 pm to Neutral Underground
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I am pretty sure Ukraines biggest economy is Only Fan girls. ??
Well, you are dead wrong.
Edit: Do you know how many males that bring up only fans have a mother, daughter, or significant other on only fans?
This post was edited on 4/14/24 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 4/14/24 at 11:50 pm to WonTonDonWon
You HAVE to see that this isn't going to end well for Ukraine. What's going to happen is that Russia will keep the territory they have occupied, and Ukraine will continue to exist as a nation, although smaller. Just like the Crimean war.
They will be devastated as a nation because their population has fled because even THEY don't care enough to fight for their country.
The US will be on the hook for rebuilding costs though. So all the money we gave them will evaporate and suddenly we need to pay for that even though they have bled us dry during the war over a border struggle that our own politicians care more about than our own borders.
It's a shite scenario that Russia is laughing about because not only do they win, but they weaken the petrodollar and come out on top.
Meanwhile, we see inflation beyond belief and our amateur leadership can't imagine a scenario to get us out of this predicament.
They will be devastated as a nation because their population has fled because even THEY don't care enough to fight for their country.
The US will be on the hook for rebuilding costs though. So all the money we gave them will evaporate and suddenly we need to pay for that even though they have bled us dry during the war over a border struggle that our own politicians care more about than our own borders.
It's a shite scenario that Russia is laughing about because not only do they win, but they weaken the petrodollar and come out on top.
Meanwhile, we see inflation beyond belief and our amateur leadership can't imagine a scenario to get us out of this predicament.
Posted on 4/14/24 at 11:54 pm to WonTonDonWon
You sound like a raving lunatic. Lima posted facts and you responded with feels and didn't even address the post or say how Ukraine was going to be able to get anything Lima said was missing
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:10 am to Geronimo
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"Cavoli said in his written testimony that Russia is expected to produce more ammunition than all 32 NATO allies combined per year and is on track to “command the largest military on the continent and a defense industrial complex capable of generating substantial amounts of ammunition and materiel in support of large scale combat operations.”
-Gen. Christopher Cavoli, the head of U.S. European Command
There are numerous reports Russia will run out of raw materials before they can hit 2.2 million + what the West is making. That only accounts for NATO, and not other countries including what Ukraine is making. Also not Including the ramp up that we are making which In the latest news is even better than what it was just a month ago. Again people are behind the times.
I'm not saying Ukraine is going to surpass Russia in artillery shots fired per day any time soon. They'll get close. What Ukraine has on their side is Modern 155mm shells, and Modern Artillery pieces, and capable troops with something worth fighting for. Russia Ish is Ish, losing tanks and artillery at an alarming rate. They have been able to sustain, but even they admit they will eventually be up against a wall.
NK's rounds, 50-60% are duds Russia's Artillery Barrels are older than 80% of this forum.
They better start opening up massive mines. Which takes forever. Small appendage Smart Guy.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:14 am to 10thyrsr
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You sound like a raving lunatic. Lima posted facts and you responded with feels and didn't even address the post or say how Ukraine was going to be able to get anything Lima said was missing
I have spelled out how Ukraine is finally getting the arms they need from Europe. What you talking about?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:20 am to WonTonDonWon
Did you miss the part in the OP where it said Russian troops are outnumbering Ukraine troops by 7-10 times? You can have all the equipment you want, but if you don't have the men to operate them it just doesn't work.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:20 am to WonTonDonWon
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There are numerous reports Russia will run out of raw materials before they can hit 2.2 million + what the West is making.
There were also reports in 2022 that Russia was storming trenches with shovels and using chips out of washing machines for their missiles
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:31 am to 10thyrsr
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You HAVE to see that this isn't going to end well for Ukraine. What's going to happen is that Russia will keep the territory they have occupied, and Ukraine will continue to exist as a nation, although smaller. Just like the Crimean war.
They will be devastated as a nation because their population has fled because even THEY don't care enough to fight for their country.
The US will be on the hook for rebuilding costs though. So all the money we gave them will evaporate and suddenly we need to pay for that even though they have bled us dry during the war over a border struggle that our own politicians care more about than our own borders.
It's a shite scenario that Russia is laughing about because not only do they win, but they weaken the petrodollar and come out on top.
Meanwhile, we see inflation beyond belief and our amateur leadership can't imagine a scenario to get us out of this predicament.
Their women have fleed. Their economy is better than Russia's. Their men are pushing Russia back. Or have you not seen the maps?
This was supposed to be a 3-day special operation by Russia. They were outside of Kyiv with tanks and men galore and got slaughtered. Look at Russian biased war maps and see the ground Russia has lost since the war started. Russian Ruble has plummeted. They are under sanctions that are not going away soon.
Some of their largest oil and gas buyers will not buy from them anymore. The ones that will have them by the balls, and get it with a cut-rate price. They have lost half their military equipment. Did I say their ruble is worth 11 cents? Their interest rates are near 20%.
Russia ain't laughing about ish. And they ain't winning anything.
Everyone other than Maga is laughing at them.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:36 am to Geronimo
"There were also reports in 2022 that Russia was storming trenches with shovels and using chips out of washing machines for their missiles"
They sure have gained a lot of ground hey? How many tanks and men did they lose taking Advika? Like I said they'll get to Kyiv in 100 years at this rate. Or counting losses Ukraine will get to Moskow in 15 years. Its Math don't shoot.
They sure have gained a lot of ground hey? How many tanks and men did they lose taking Advika? Like I said they'll get to Kyiv in 100 years at this rate. Or counting losses Ukraine will get to Moskow in 15 years. Its Math don't shoot.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 12:44 am
Posted on 4/15/24 at 6:50 am to WonTonDonWon
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Russia ain't laughing about ish. And they ain't winning anything. Everyone other than Maga is laughing at them.
Ol’ IPad Patton letting his disdain for MAGA get sprinkled in with his neocon lust for proxy domination.
Will be interesting to see if you come back and own it should things not play out the way you’ve convinced yourself they will.
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