re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris

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The situation is about to become 10x more complex with the flooding of the country with "refugees" most of whom hafe little education or skill.

The economy has evolved beyond needing humans for simple inputs. Humans will either need to evolve or be subsidized.

So, with this in mind what do you think is about to occur? Continually bumping the min wage will be a floor, and these folks will be trapped underneath.

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It would be interesting to watch play out if not for all the chaos that will come with it.

I feel like a lot of folks are already trapped underneath. All I have to do is drive to the wrong side of town to see it first hand

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Continually bumping min wage isnt helping these people advance as humans

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But I'm not talking about individuals, I'm talking about the permanent class of people not making enough to sustain themselves/afford healthcare/dental then end up hooked on drugs.

Surely you aren't suggesting if we get rid of minimum wage all the people earning it would quit and we wouldn't have burger flippers anymore?

We would just have poorer burger flippers

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Theyre not all the same and dont need to be collectivized

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You can't argue economic policy based on individual outliers.

If your stance towards a job is "that job exists to encourage people to work harder not have that job" then we don't need that job in the first place. Because SOMEONE will always have that job. It doesn't matter if it is X or Y or Z, someone is gonna be in that situation.

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You can't argue economic policy based on individual outliers.

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Their not outliers. There are many different conditions that lead people there.

Policy needs to be based on prevention, not continuation of the same failed policies. Some of these people just need a few skills, some never will be able to contribute. Others just released from prison.

Theyre not the same, and treating them all the same is bad policy.

Continually throwing money at the problem has led us here. That money flows upward to wealth, which benefits the wealthy and not the poor and contributes to income inequality.

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So what is your solution for the lower class? Besides "don't be lower class"

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You can’t “solve” the lower class. There will always be a lower class…lower is a relative measure.

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You can’t “solve” the lower class. There will always be a lower class…lower is a relative measure.

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Exactly. Which is why McDonald's should pay them enough to afford rent/food, so I don't have to

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So what is your solution for the lower class? Besides "don't be lower class"

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Lower class is subjective.

Stop comparing your lot in life to those of everyone around you and you’ll find much more happiness.


The lowest class in America lives like a king compared to a pauper in Varanasi.

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But rent and food prices will just increase along with wages.

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Not at the same percentage tho. If min wage goes from 15 to 18 and hour and that fast food employee makes an extra $20 a day, his hamburger doesnt go up $20. Everyone's hamburger goes up 15 cents

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So what is your solution for the lower class? Besides "don't be lower class"

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Not sure, since its about the explode and become a permanent underclass on the current trajectory.

First. You have to do something about immigration. These politicians are lying to you. Theyre purposefully flooding us with these workers who are qualified for jobs that may not even exist in 5 years.

Massive jobs programs to start. We throw money at non profits to do this crap and nothing comes from it. Start in our schools with dual curriculums for college prep and occupational.

Encourage free enterprise, like we once did. Let people live off their own labor. That seems far more humane than flipping fries 40 hours a week.

My opinion is that pursuit of a living wage for the unskilled promotes stagnation and a permanent underclass because they stop growing.