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re: Judge appointed by O'Bama rules illegals can legally carry firearms and ammo

Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:06 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:06 am to
I'm particularly enjoying their equivalent arguments to:

1. The Constitution is a living document.

2. The 2A was written for muskets and society has changed.

And, obviously, calling the people arguing for protecting our rights and the 2A progressives
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:14 am to
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Yes. The 2A doesn't use that language.

quote:

 “We The People” – affirm that the government of the United States exists to serve its citizens


From USSenate.gov
From the intro.
Inferred that the rights of the US Constitution are for it's citizens, nobody else.

LINK

This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 9:16 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:15 am to
Bunch of Cicilline Bros.

Hell, they were even going after Massie the other day...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:16 am to
quote:

From USSenate.gov

Inferred that the rights of the US Constitution are for it's citizens, nobody else.

USSenate.gov is not a legal precedent

And "We the People" is only discussing who formed the Government.

quote:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Also, that's just a Preamble.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:16 am to
Why do you blame Trump for not finishing the wall or deporting them then?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:17 am to
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Inferred that the rights of the US Constitution are for it's citizens, nobody else.




JFC...

The Second Amendment is for the fricking government.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71597 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:18 am to
Enemies foreign and domestic. We know you never swore to that oath though…
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:19 am to
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Hell, they were even going after Massie the other day...

They go back and forth on Massie and Rand and then try to claim them as MAGA
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71597 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:19 am to
Deflect now
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:19 am to
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Are firearms dangerous?


That does not matter. What matters is the law set up by the constitution. Period.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:20 am to
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That does not matter


Of course it does.

Do more firearms slow violent crime? Do less firearms increase violent crime? Does it not matter?
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1296 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:21 am to
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To defending individual rights and the 2nd amendment in particular?


No to defend the eroding away of the Constitution. And That is what you are doing.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24846 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:21 am to
Man, trying to jump those mental hurdles huh?

Dismiss items just because you think you're right.

The preamble is an important part. It communicates the intention of the constitution. So yeah, it's part of the document.

It says "we the people". I think we know who it's talking about.

They weren't thinking of people in Yemen when they wrote it.

Citizens of America? Yeah, that's probably what they meant.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261578 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:23 am to
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No to defend the eroding away of the Constitution.


The constitution protects people from government.

Eroding that gives the government more power.

Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
1296 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:23 am to
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i am dan



He's nothing more than a globalist who defends the destruction of the constitution.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:24 am to
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Why do you blame Trump for not finishing the wall or deporting them then?


I don't know if I've ever discussed Trump's specific role in this other than being a bad coalition builder (generally).

The whole "illegal immigrant" stuff has no bearing to me on a discussion about the 2nd Amendment, and I purposefully stay out of non-policy discussions about them due to all the emotional thinking and groupthink involved.

You need to work on building better strawmen.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 9:25 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261578 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:25 am to
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He's nothing more than a globalist who defends the destruction of the constitution.


The constitution protects people from government. You have very backward thinking.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:26 am to
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No to defend the eroding away of the Constitution.

You're literally doing this and you don't even realize it.

It would be sad and funny if it wasn't so scary.

quote:

And That is what you are doing.


How is defending individual rights and the 2nd Amendment "eroding away the Constitution"? I am literally doing the opposite.

Picking and choosing when the Constitution applies b/c of your feeling is a progressive behavior, specifically with the 2A.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71597 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:26 am to
If someone is a foreigner and not naturalized is it really their govt?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24846 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:26 am to
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The constitution protects people from government. You have very backward thinking.


By giving it's citizens certain rights.

Am I missing something?
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