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re: Stated at CERAWeek: Hydrogen adoption will cost Europe, US more than $1 trillion
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:21 pm to ragincajun03
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:21 pm to ragincajun03
I'd love to know the cost of upgrading the entire US grid to support an electric car system. I do enjoy the idea of electric vehicles, but I know that it's not feasible for every part of the US. Hydrogen is absolutely the way of the future.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:34 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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Hydrogen is absolutely the way of the future.
Possibly for fuel cells. Not ICE.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:38 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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Hydrogen is absolutely the way of the future.
Not anytime soon. It's incredibly difficult to transport. We can barely keep our natural gas infrastructure form blowing up too many houses. A switch to hydrogen will require actual O&M, which no one really likes to do.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:42 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
quote:Electric vehicles are an upgrade to the grid. Power tends to be used where people are, and cars tend to be parked where people are. The upgrades required to make EVs function as grid-attached storage are relatively inexpensive, and has the very real potential to reduce the peak demand from the grid. Far cheaper than building out hydrogen infrastructure.
I'd love to know the cost of upgrading the entire US grid to support an electric car system.
quote:Hydrogen has its use cases, but fuel for passenger vehicles is absolutely not one of them.
Hydrogen is absolutely the way of the future.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:01 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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Hydrogen is absolutely the way of the future.
Hydrogen will be something like 3-5x more expensive than gasoline for propelling your vehicle.
I don't understand this idea of regressive taxes on the poor and working class in the name of Clean Energy
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:11 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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I do enjoy the idea of electric vehicles, but I know that it's not feasible for every part of the US. Hydrogen is absolutely the way of the future.
I’ve long been a believer in hydrogen IF it turns out that we actually need to reduce CO2 emissions. I’m still skeptical about that, though, which is why I think we should be investing in technology, not in implementation.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:10 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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I do enjoy the idea of electric vehicles
Why?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 12:55 am to BilbeauTBaggins
This is literally my job. I work for a renewables that is planning 2 massive Hydrogen projects with CCS that combined are $6 billion in capex. We have a few other projects. One has FID'd. Hoping all do as I get equity in the company and I've gotten in early. By itself, it's unprofitable without the Inflation Reduction Act 45V tax credit.
There are 2 common ways to make Hydrogen: electrolyzers which use water to convert water into hydrogen or methane nat gas autothermal reforming (ATR) or steam methane reforming (SMR) and convert it to hydrogen. If electrolyzers become a lot cheaper or the process of converting nat gas to H2 becomes cheaper, then it could be widespread adopted. Maybe natural deposits of Hydrogen become available to drill for as that'd solve a lot of problems I feel.
You can set up CCS (carbon capture and sequestration) on refineries, concrete/asphalt producers to take away CO2.
The thing is that a lot of CO2 emissions come from transportation exhaust and it's impossible to set up a carbon capture device to every vehicle and somehow get it pipelined to a well to inject underground where as Hydrogen exhaust is H20 not CO2
There are 2 common ways to make Hydrogen: electrolyzers which use water to convert water into hydrogen or methane nat gas autothermal reforming (ATR) or steam methane reforming (SMR) and convert it to hydrogen. If electrolyzers become a lot cheaper or the process of converting nat gas to H2 becomes cheaper, then it could be widespread adopted. Maybe natural deposits of Hydrogen become available to drill for as that'd solve a lot of problems I feel.
You can set up CCS (carbon capture and sequestration) on refineries, concrete/asphalt producers to take away CO2.
The thing is that a lot of CO2 emissions come from transportation exhaust and it's impossible to set up a carbon capture device to every vehicle and somehow get it pipelined to a well to inject underground where as Hydrogen exhaust is H20 not CO2
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 2:21 am
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