It depends on the level of certainty you require to "know". Coronaviruses are known to spill over (for example, SARS-1 did this). There is evidence of two separate spillovers occurring at the market, weeks apart, two separate viral lineages. All early cases were there. Photos of SARS-2 susceptible animals were photographed there before the cases emerged. Contra the ancient pre-print above, there's published literature on how this virus is consistent with natural evolution. etc.

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Posted by dgnx6

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Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:28 am to TigerDoc

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It depends on the level of certainty you require to "know". Coronaviruses are known to spill over (for example, SARS-1 did this).

The entire point of having a gain of function lab was to study these viruses.

Now I can be down with the idea this was solely done to come up with ways to combat these viruses, they were much more deadly than covid, and that it wasn’t made as a bioweapon. It was more of human error and an attempt to cover up by the CCP.

Not much diff than if something like this happened in the USSR.

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Posted by Boomdaddy65201

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Member since Mar 2020

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Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:25 am to TigerDoc

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Contra the ancient pre-print above, there's published literature on how this virus is consistent with natural evolution. etc.

bullshite!!!

Your audacity to come to an anonymous public forum and still not have the ability to admit that you were duped is nauseating. Wow, it must have hit you like a gut punch that your “almighty” medical science is just as corrupt and manipulated as a back room game of craps.

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When SARS2 first appeared in the world, it had all the unique properties that would be expected of a virus made according to the DEFUSE recipe. Instead of slowly evolving the ability to attack human cells, as natural viruses must do when they jump from animals to humans, SARS2 was immediately infectious to people, possibly because it had already been adapted in humanized laboratory mice to the human cell receptor. SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site, found in NONE of the other 871 known members of its viral family, so it cannot have gained such a site through the ordinary evolutionary swaps of genetic material within a family. The DEFUSE proposal called for inserting one. As is now known, the DEFUSE procedure was to assemble the viral genome from six DNA sections, which would account for the even spacing of the restriction enzyme recognition sites in SARS2. Despite intensive search, no precursors for SARS2 have been found in the natural world. Given the 2018 date of the DEFUSE proposal, the researchers in Wuhan could have synthesized the virus by 2019, accounting perfectly for the otherwise unexplained timing of the Covid-19 pandemic as well as its place of origin.

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Posted by NC_Tigah

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Member since Sep 2003

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Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:53 am to TigerDoc

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Coronaviruses are known to spill over (for example, SARS-1 did this). There is evidence of two separate spillovers occurring at the market, weeks apart, two separate viral lineages. All early cases were there. Photos of SARS-2 susceptible animals were photographed there before the cases emerged.

and ... what is the rest of the story?

Ah yes ... those SARS-CoV-1 susceptible animals were brought into a lab, and exposed to the virus. They contracted it, then readily transmitted to others under natural conditions.

As you know, that is dissimilar from our experience with SARS-CoV-2.

But there was a major epidemiological similarity between the two. As with SARS-CoV-2, the crappy Chinese lab system also leaked SARS-CoV-1 from a lab into a major metropolitan area ..... TWICE.

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