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Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:46 pm to Drizzt
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Whoever hired her should also be on trial for manslaughter.
that would be baldwin
Posted on 3/7/24 at 4:54 am to Scoob
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know there are people rampaging over Baldwin here, but the armorer is the bigger issue. The armorer is the check in place that allows the industry to make films and shows with "guns" in them. As such, the armorer HAS to go down. I'm remembering a scene in, I think, Swordfish. Travolta (a bad guy) walks up to someone from behind (female cop or security guard), grabs her hair and presses his "gun" to her head and pulls the trigger. Bang she's dead for movie purposes. He (Travolta) does this because he's scripted to; and you can all swear on the bible that he checked his prop first to ensure it wasn't a loaded gun (or even a blanks gun, which would have killed her too). I wasn't there, I didn't see what he did. But I can pretty much guarantee this- if Baldwin goes down for pulling the trigger as an actor (NOT for being producer, which I think he will), then most actors will not touch a role requiring firearm props. Too much liability, nobody wants to go to prison because the prop manager fricked up. They don't want to kill anyone either, but that's a separate point. Just pointing this out. There's a multi-billion dollar industry watching this play out.
Your take seems seems straight from Baldwin’s publicist. Please read the SAG guidelines that I posted. Some highlights:
- Local laws supersede SAG guidelines. That means there’s no “actor’s” court that absolves an actor if they do something like point a gun at someone, it goes off, and someone dies. That’s called involuntary manslaughter in every state.
- an actor is responsible for not only their safety, but everyone else’s on set. I.E., it is his right and responsibility to double check the set up
- Never point a gun at someone (Baldwin admitted to police he did this)
- Never out your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to fire ( Baldwin denies this but outtakes show he always had his finger on the trigger)
- know what you’re aiming at
Baldwin knew guns were dangerous, he knew the guidelines, but, he still violated them. That’s what the prosecution is going to attack because their argument is Baldwin was the one pointing the gun at someone.
Clooney came out and ripped Baldwin already for his carelessness. Baldwin’s co-star said he always verifies himself if a gun is loaded properly when he was interviewed by police.
The law and facts are not on Baldwin’s side.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:03 am to 1BIGTigerFan
quote:the armorer did not pull the trigger and the armorer did not point the gun.
the armorer is there for a reason.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:10 am to TexSolo
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Too bad for her. Aint no way Alec is going to jail tho.
She got 14 months. If he’s even the least bit smart he’ll cop to a plea that gives him a suspended sentence and keeps him physically out of jail. Should probably include a few million in restitution too.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:53 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Is this a PT topic only because he mocked Trump with his impersonation?
Posted on 3/7/24 at 9:19 am to mmcgrath
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Alec Baldwin was just an actor when the accident happened.
It always amazes me how you lefties will defend anyone on your side, no matter how big of a piece of shite they are.
Then again, I've come to the realization that the more vile the leftist, the more you adore them.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:45 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Part of me wonders if this girl was under pressure by senior people there like Baldwin, to be fast and loose, to have live rounds etc, so they could all have fun. Probably her dream to work in Hollywood and I'm guessing she felt a lot of pressure to make people happy. And now her life is probably ruined.
I blame Baldwin more than anyone. He's been around more than enough to know gun safety. Insure you have blanks not live rounds. Don't point the gun at someone, etc. He's complete trash and he killed that lady. I don't care how bad the armorer was, her screwups result in no problems if Baldwin does the absolute minimum with regard to firearms safety.
I blame Baldwin more than anyone. He's been around more than enough to know gun safety. Insure you have blanks not live rounds. Don't point the gun at someone, etc. He's complete trash and he killed that lady. I don't care how bad the armorer was, her screwups result in no problems if Baldwin does the absolute minimum with regard to firearms safety.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:53 am to 1BIGTigerFan
quote:Same here.
I loathe Baldwin, but the armorer is there for a reason.
I can’t stand that liberal douche, but this is on the armorer. You can’t expect every idiot actor to be a firearms expert.
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:55 am to bhtigerfan
Baldwin is also the producer. He hired the unqualified armorer.
Then he pointed a loaded weapon at woman, pulled the trigger, and killed her.
He has plenty of skin in the game.
Then he pointed a loaded weapon at woman, pulled the trigger, and killed her.
He has plenty of skin in the game.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:57 am to Rebel
Shes a 13 year old spoiled child, and should never have been in that position.
I've watched some of the testimony. Baldwin will not find it easy. Evidently he was acting like a Prima Donna and violating protocols.
I've watched some of the testimony. Baldwin will not find it easy. Evidently he was acting like a Prima Donna and violating protocols.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:58 am to bhtigerfan
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You can’t expect every idiot actor to be a firearms expert.
Everything Baldwin did violated set and Firearm rules.
There is a case for negligence here.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:58 am to BradBallard
CWILL:
BradBallard:
CWILL:
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Give me a link.
BradBallard:
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Here you go.
LINK
A few things, SAG rules are that local laws supersede any guidelines. What this means is the fantasy that Baldwin does not have culpability because he’s an actor is BS propaganda from Baldwin’s publicity team.
New Mexico also has case law from a very similar case where it does not matter who loaded a gun, all the state has to prove for involuntary manslaughter is the gun was in Baldwin’s hand, it went off, and a death resulted.
The facts and law are not on his side, but, he will have excellent attorneys. A conviction is far from a sure thing because of this.
He’s already admitted to police that he knew it was a real gun, he knew pointing it at someone was dangerous, but, he did it anyway.
Two things killed Hutchins. The armorer not doing her job by ensuring the gun was loaded correctly, and Baldwin pointing the gun at her with his finger on the trigger.
If either of these things didn’t happen, no death would have occurred.
CWILL:
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:00 am to rented mule
Baldwin has been blaming everyone, including the victim.
He absolutely bypassed safety and protocols because he thought he was bigger than the movie.
He pointed the firearm at someone and pulled the trigger, both of which should not have been allowed.
His defense will be the Armorer should have stopped him.
He absolutely bypassed safety and protocols because he thought he was bigger than the movie.
He pointed the firearm at someone and pulled the trigger, both of which should not have been allowed.
His defense will be the Armorer should have stopped him.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:08 am to mmcgrath
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Stupid for the camera lady to position herself in the line of fire when they were using monitors to view how the scene looked.
You realize Baldwin shot 2 people right? He actually shot the director in the arm I believe and the bullet went through him and into her chest, killing her.
So its kinda hard to say the victim was in the wrong place here.
The armorer is guilty, no doubt.
Baldwin as the director 100% knew that you do not point and you do not pull the trigger pointing at someone. I believe Baldwins defense is that the gun "went off".
Baldwin as just the actor, may have a criminal defense. Baldwin as the producer that KNEW the rules well and hired the armorer....
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:13 am to rented mule
When cwill asked for a link, he didn’t really want you to provide him with one.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:15 am to BradBallard
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Baldwin denies this
Yeah, he also lied and said he didnt pull the trigger.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:19 am to SEC. 593
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Is this a PT topic only because he mocked Trump with his impersonation?
Yes. And the same people telling us he’s not at all responsible would be telling us to throw away the key if it was Joe Rogan and not Alec Baldwin.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:23 am to the808bass
He’s responsible both criminal and civil. I still think he walks because he has money.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:55 am to bhtigerfan
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Same here. I can’t stand that liberal douche, but this is on the armorer. You can’t expect every idiot actor to be a firearms expert.
Please provide the specific federal statute as well as New Mexico statute that absolves Actors from the requirements of handling firearms with due care and circumspection.
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