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re: How many of you guys/gals day trade and have made it your career?

Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:25 am to
Posted by BourbonDad
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 9:25 am to
Flip a coin a thousand times winning at least more than you lose on the other and you have positive expectancy. Most people don’t have either enough edge to have a predictable win rate (50% in the coin example), or they have an edge but still don’t know the statistical win rate. Because the “win” rate depends on far or close your take profit is relative to your stop loss. If you win 2x what you lose, and odds are 50/50, you only need to be right 33% of the time to break even (1/1+n) where n=win ratio.


So even if you found a pattern that reliably wins 2x to what you lose, if it only happens 20% of the time you will lose money in the long haul.

So then it’s about knowing yourself. Can you take loss after loss repeatedly to execute a system with a 30% win rate even if your RR is 3 or 4:1? Can you stomach the drawdown? There’s a chance you may get 20 “tails” in a row with a coin flip and you go bankrupt.

Or do you want to be right all the time and win 80% of your trades? Typically to do so requires an inverse RR where you win a small amount a lot but when you lose it’s more than a single win.

All about the expectancy, your ability to execute it and stay consistent. Not as easy as it looks.
Posted by SM1010
Member since Oct 2020
761 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:41 pm to
I have not lost a trade since 2022.

But I only daytrade s&p 500 ETFs. And if they're losers I just turn them into swing trades. It's the s&p, it will recover eventually. If I get stuck not a huge deal (a solid chunk got stuck for 4 months last year).

This has been my solution to dealing with emotions. I couldn't deal with the whole stop loss part of trading.

I realize this may not be considered "real daytrading", but it works for me. It allows me to enjoy trading without my emotions destroying trades.

I'm a big s&p 500 index guy for retirement funds so being stuck in an s&p fund doesn't bother me at all.

p.s. I only trade with fun/leisure money left over after I max out retirement vehicles.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 3:44 pm
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