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re: CWD detections by Parish.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:41 pm to MobileJosh
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:41 pm to MobileJosh
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And as for corn contributing to the spread pf the disease, maybe it is, maybe it's not. You have to remember that CWD came from states that did not allow supplemental baiting. So it's certainly not the cause of it.
Wasn’t it 1st discovered in captive deer herds in the 70s? Supplemental feeding wasn’t outlawed until the 90s in CO.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:54 pm to bbvdd
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Wasn’t it 1st discovered in captive deer herds in the 70s?
Think so. Or 60s.
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Supplemental feeding wasn’t outlawed until the 90s in CO.
The 90's is when it blew up in CO and Wyoming. Close to when you started hearing about BSE (mad cow). Weird stuff for sure.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:53 pm to MobileJosh
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CWD came from states that did not allow supplemental baiting
It was first discovered in deer pens which is even worse.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Maybe so. Maybe not. The reality is you don't know where the frick it came from nor how to stop it. Neither do the greatest Epidemiologist in the world. It's just a big guessing game.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:26 pm to Ron Cheramie
Glyphosates binding to cations in the soil especially Manganese causes a lot of changes at the electromagnetic level in organisms. It's believed it's a possibility that that binding allows the prion to mutate leading to diseases like CWD. There are a few questioning that now, Dr. Don Huber and Jason Snavely are two of the people more in the public eye discussing it.
Weather it's true or not I have no earthly idea but with all of the known stuff that Glyphosate causes nothing would surprise me. Un natural chemicals are going to change things some for the intended better but some un planned consequences almost always occur.
This is an excperpt of a study by Dr. Michael W. Fox in 2020, "Chronic Wasting Disease:Anthropogenic? Containable?" discussing CWD and information on it.
"What causes prions to become malformed like a mutation, has not yet been determined. Prions can be passed out in bodily fluids and are in the soil and vegetation and are resistant to conventional methods of sterilization. Mosquitoes, ticks and other insects feeding off infected cervids may spread CWD. Infective prions have been found in dust and may be spread also by wind currents. ( 8).
Practices that may facilitate CWD prion contamination and accumulation include deer and elk farming, mineral licks and planting feed for deer by private land-owning deer hunters. Normal prions can be affected by metals (9), possibly being damaged by hunters’ lead shot when ingested by deer or in their bodies after surviving after being shot. Twenty million metric tons of lead bullets were fired in the United States in the 20th century (10).
Since EMFs can damage yeast prions, (11) the electromagnetic fields and non-ionizing radiation from cell phone towers and power lines may also cause prion malformations. Also, widely used herbicides, Monsanto’s “Roundup” (glyphosate) in particular, may play a role in the genesis of spongiform encephalopathies. It is widely used in agriculture and in forest management to reduce vegetation for fire-prevention. Glyphosate chelates all cations, making them biologically unavailable, (12).
An oxide of manganese destroys prions (13). Manganese deficiency in soils, via chelation of manganese by glyphosate, may therefore serve to increase the viability and longevity of prions that cause diseases such as CWD {and other spongiform encephalopathies} in the soil. In sum, soil type and especially mineral and humus content affect the nutritive value of vegetation and therefore the health of cervids consuming same. Notably, various prions are destroyed in soils with high humic acid content (14). Prions bind to montmorillonite and whole soils, remain orally infectious, and, in most cases, increased the oral transmission of disease compared to the unbound agent. Certain soils may therefore contribute to environmental spread of CWD by increasing the transmissibility of small amounts of infectious agent in the environment. (15)."
Is any of this true? I have no idea but it's worth thinking about and watching for more research. I think we are at hypothetical stage on a lot of things with CWD but I am trying to research everything I can to help better understand.
Weather it's true or not I have no earthly idea but with all of the known stuff that Glyphosate causes nothing would surprise me. Un natural chemicals are going to change things some for the intended better but some un planned consequences almost always occur.
This is an excperpt of a study by Dr. Michael W. Fox in 2020, "Chronic Wasting Disease:Anthropogenic? Containable?" discussing CWD and information on it.
"What causes prions to become malformed like a mutation, has not yet been determined. Prions can be passed out in bodily fluids and are in the soil and vegetation and are resistant to conventional methods of sterilization. Mosquitoes, ticks and other insects feeding off infected cervids may spread CWD. Infective prions have been found in dust and may be spread also by wind currents. ( 8).
Practices that may facilitate CWD prion contamination and accumulation include deer and elk farming, mineral licks and planting feed for deer by private land-owning deer hunters. Normal prions can be affected by metals (9), possibly being damaged by hunters’ lead shot when ingested by deer or in their bodies after surviving after being shot. Twenty million metric tons of lead bullets were fired in the United States in the 20th century (10).
Since EMFs can damage yeast prions, (11) the electromagnetic fields and non-ionizing radiation from cell phone towers and power lines may also cause prion malformations. Also, widely used herbicides, Monsanto’s “Roundup” (glyphosate) in particular, may play a role in the genesis of spongiform encephalopathies. It is widely used in agriculture and in forest management to reduce vegetation for fire-prevention. Glyphosate chelates all cations, making them biologically unavailable, (12).
An oxide of manganese destroys prions (13). Manganese deficiency in soils, via chelation of manganese by glyphosate, may therefore serve to increase the viability and longevity of prions that cause diseases such as CWD {and other spongiform encephalopathies} in the soil. In sum, soil type and especially mineral and humus content affect the nutritive value of vegetation and therefore the health of cervids consuming same. Notably, various prions are destroyed in soils with high humic acid content (14). Prions bind to montmorillonite and whole soils, remain orally infectious, and, in most cases, increased the oral transmission of disease compared to the unbound agent. Certain soils may therefore contribute to environmental spread of CWD by increasing the transmissibility of small amounts of infectious agent in the environment. (15)."
Is any of this true? I have no idea but it's worth thinking about and watching for more research. I think we are at hypothetical stage on a lot of things with CWD but I am trying to research everything I can to help better understand.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:42 pm to Da Hammer
Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:03 pm to MobileJosh
Ah well frick it then let's just not do shite. Yolo. Gotta get my sweet trail cam pics of bruiser at midnight every night.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:40 pm to 257WBY
Thank you for sharing; this appears to be a game changer.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 9:44 pm to 257WBY
Thanks for sharing that. I watched it when it first came out and have yet to find a way to add humic acid to feed in feeders other than buying a proprietary mix. Anyone else have any luck?
I keep hoping to see the humic acid movement gain momentum and more research prove it. So far I haven’t seen much since that video was made initially. I pray it’s some sort of answer but the longer time passes without it gaining traction makes me think it’s less likely to be our answer.
What I have figured out is that regenerative farming helps increase humic acid in soils and plants naturally. We have gone 100% regenerative over the last year. Hopefully it will make a difference in our herd. I would feed humic acid at our place if I could figure out how…
I keep hoping to see the humic acid movement gain momentum and more research prove it. So far I haven’t seen much since that video was made initially. I pray it’s some sort of answer but the longer time passes without it gaining traction makes me think it’s less likely to be our answer.
What I have figured out is that regenerative farming helps increase humic acid in soils and plants naturally. We have gone 100% regenerative over the last year. Hopefully it will make a difference in our herd. I would feed humic acid at our place if I could figure out how…
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:40 am to Riolobo
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That’s another topic. This is topic is parishes that have not had any detections still not being able to bait. Small feed stores in these areas are now closing. One owner of a feed store in Delhi told me his profits have are down 60% since ban. He is now having to sell his store.
If a feed store was operating solely on the premise of deer bait, they were doomed to fail anyway.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:59 am to 257WBY
257WBY thank you that is the first supplement I have seen that has Humic acid in it (I am certain there are more I just haven't found it). We have several large feeders we have stopped using but I am willing to feed in the summer if I could find a great way to get humid acid on board the deer herd, I don't see how it can hurt.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 11:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Ah well frick it then let's just not do shite
You sure seem upset about hunters throwing out corn. When they aren't 100 percent sure that's what spreads it?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 6:29 am to UnoMe
[quote]When they aren't 100 percent sure that's what spreads
Nobody's ever going to know 100% what it is, and we're not taking about not hunting over it. We are talking about not dumping feed on the ground.
I believe it's well documented that CWD is very likely transmittable in deer via swapping spit. Feeding deer out of a pile obviously increases that, and the only return on the practice being midnight trail camera pictures of hogs.
It's a dumb practice that has no real upside and it should stop. We stopped baiting on our own a couple years back, and we killed more mature bucks the following season.
Nobody's ever going to know 100% what it is, and we're not taking about not hunting over it. We are talking about not dumping feed on the ground.
I believe it's well documented that CWD is very likely transmittable in deer via swapping spit. Feeding deer out of a pile obviously increases that, and the only return on the practice being midnight trail camera pictures of hogs.
It's a dumb practice that has no real upside and it should stop. We stopped baiting on our own a couple years back, and we killed more mature bucks the following season.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:23 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Baiting deer shouldn't be legal anywhere.
Yes, because multiple deer don't scent check the same scrape, or lick the same licking branch, or even forage in the same spot on food plots or under that one good white oak that's dropping. They only all eat out of the same feeder.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:35 pm to mtb010
Surely I do not need to explain the difference...
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:41 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:seems this method came out of Texas. Not a common practice when I were a yoot.
Baiting deer shouldn't be legal anywhere.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:52 pm to White Bear
It only got really prominent when trail cameras did from what I remember. Now it's ubiquitous, I'd venture to say most private land deer hunters dump feed to some extent. I personally only know a small number of people who don't, outside of public land hunters.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:58 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'd venture to say most private land deer hunters dump feed to some extent. I
I did the 1st year I bought my place, but I do not any more.
I have been able to clean it up enough for some food plots now. I see many more deer in the food plots now than when I put out corn.
Food plots were slow growing this year with the drought and still not flourishing but they're growing and the deer are really using them now.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:19 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Always enjoy the musings of some coonass whose idea of management is waiting till the horns break the skin before laying waste to some poor yearling. A yearling who is only alive because his mother was one of two does to somehow be fortunate enough to survive the previous year's onslaught. Then watching said coonass pontificate about " the big private clubs" and what their management practices ahould and should not be. And doing so in blanket statements that cover allll the big private clubs in the country, without ever actually having stepped foot on one. It's really quality entertainment. But congrats on that forked horn deer you pepaw bagged on that deer drive back in 97. I'm sure it looks great in your single wide.
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