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re: MBB : Early conference play opinion

Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:53 am to
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 10:53 am to
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Do we expect him to be as successful as Brown or Wade or even Brady


In the near future yes. But McMahon seems to be more of a developer than those guys and needs the core of his team to be upperclassmen that he developed. The key will be if he can develop a few of them into stars and/or get a star or two in the portal or some one and done guys every now and then.

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Jones inherited a much worse situation and in year 1 won 19 games and in all but his final year equaled or surpassed that number.


Jones (and johnson for that matter) coached in a much weaker SEC. The SEC has invested in top coaches so much over the last 5-10 years that it has made the league so much more difficult. Thats not to say we shouldnt want to be better than what we have been these last couple of years, but winning 19 games with a Tuba player at C isn't gonna work in 2024.

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. So far in both seasons we’ve underachieved based on the roster


Last year I would agree but I don't think anyone would say this year they are underachieving. Our roster was never considered very talented and imo, they are slightly over achieving their actual abilities.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 11:34 am to
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But McMahon seems to be more of a developer than those guys and needs the core of his team to be upperclassmen that he developed.


That's not necessarily a great trait in this era of college basketball. Most guys don't stay long enough to be "developed".

Outside of Tennessee, probably the program that has had the most consistent success in the SEC has been Alabama. Now, Alabama's basketball history is no better than LSU's. In fact, LSU's is probably better on the whole. Both are "football schools" first. Both have "old" facilities. Frankly, there is NO reason LSU couldn't have a program similar to that of Alabama. The difference is Nate Oats. He may be a douchebag, but (to borrow a line from The Big Lebowski) That creep can coach. And he's essentially flipping the roster year after year. Alabama is not as good as they were last year. But he lost 10 players from last year's roster. Despite that, they are still up there with Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky at the top of the SEC right now.

For better or worse, that's what it takes now. You have to get in big time talent, win with it immediately, the flip the roster and do it again next year. Redshirting guys and slowly developing them to blossom in year 3, 4, 5, isn't sustainable because the players don't want to stay that long in one spot. Jordan Wright developed 4 years at Vandy. He should be the star of their team this year for a group that had a decent season last year. Instead, he's at LSU. Cook was an All conference player at Tulane. Doesn't matter. He's back at the place he previously left. Stewart was all conference at Santa Clara. Now he's at the end of LSU's bench. Shawn Phillips was probably set to be LSU's starting Center this year after showing some good play at the end of last season. Instead, he's a Arizona State coming off the bench to play 12 minutes. It seems counterintuitive, but guys all across the nation are leaving GOOD situations to go elsewhere.

McMahon seems to have done a better job in the portal this season than last. That we can all agree on. But if he's ever going to have big success here it's unlikely its going to come from stacking and developing recruiting classes. He's still going to have to recruit well, but he has to hit even bigger in the portal, and repeat it year after year after year.
Posted by mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:01 pm to
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Last year I would agree but I don't think anyone would say this year they are underachieving. Our roster was never considered very talented and imo, they are slightly over achieving their actual abilities.


I always felt like our roster this year was going to be better than last year.

I never bought into the Adam Miller hype and Juice Hill and Kendal Coleman are genuinely some of the worst players in LSU history. Justice Williams wasn't far off.

I think everyone expected improvement from last year and I wouldnt be satisfied with any less than 6-10 wins.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48199 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 12:39 pm to
Ok that’s fair but we can’t keep making these roster excuses. We have 5 top 100 recruits, two 5* kids, we have a handful of productive veterans and we’re 12 or 13 deep when healthy, 10 deep right now. If you compare all of those things to other SEC rosters you won’t find more than 3-4 teams who have more.
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