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re: Mexican President Obrador Issues His List Of Demands

Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:40 pm to
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Then why do Mexicans have no problem succeeding here?

Because they aren’t charged with governance here.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:42 pm to
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It's literally working in Mexico as we speak.

Not for the purpose we’re discussing—and I was referring to the Central American countries anyway. Mexico’s middle class getting slightly more prosperous does NOTHING whenever their entire political apparatus is situated around cartel economics and enabling northward migration as a matter of policy.

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This isn't some theoretical/academic exercise. Mexico has improved dramatically due to global trade and the increase in export-related industries like manufacturing.

That’s nice. Even more reason we should simply secure our border and let Mexico deal with its failed-state neighbors.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:42 pm to
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Holy shite, you are retarded.

Not nearly as retarded as someone who thinks Mexico will ever be a functional partner in this area.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:43 pm to
Why don't we take the funds we would give Mexico abd build a wall
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:43 pm to
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That’s nice. Even more reason we should simply secure our border and let Mexico deal with its failed-state neighbors.



When that doesn't work and it leads to an even more complicated situation at the border, then what?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:44 pm to
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When that doesn't work and it leads to an even more complicated situation at the border, then what?

Not sure, that would be Mexico’s problem, as everyone involved would be on that side of the line.

Maybe Mexico should secure its own border as well.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 4:45 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:44 pm to
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Not nearly as retarded as someone who thinks Mexico will ever be a functional partner in this area.



Lol. This Mexico stuff has straight up clogged your ability to think straight. You don't understand what you are talking about.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:45 pm to
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Mexico sucks


I like Mexico. Sure, it has its problems, but so do we.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:45 pm to
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Because they aren’t charged with governance here.

Except that there are plenty of Mexican Americans in governance roles.
Posted by UPT
NOLA
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:45 pm to
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and make sure your cartel brothers understand that shite WILL be changing … soon


That’s a laugh. What have we ever done about Mexican cartels?
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:46 pm to
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Lopez Obrador also said he wants the U.S. to provide visas to at least 10 million Hispanic migrants who have been living in the U.S. for 10 years or longer.


Who the frick does he think he is demanding this shite of all things?

If they are bitching about it carry their arse back
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:46 pm to
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Not sure


Obviously, invoking historical similarities would be lost on you.

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Maybe Mexico should secure its own border as well.



Jesus, did you become dense overnight?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27441 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:46 pm to
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This Mexico stuff has straight up clogged your ability to think straight.

Huh? Yes, Mexico being a horrible partner on the immigration issue is top of mind, yes.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36571 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:47 pm to
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Huh? Yes, Mexico being a horrible partner on the immigration issue is top of mind, yes.



If only we had several examples of what occurs when you tie geographic, economic, and migratory interests together. If only.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27441 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:47 pm to
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Except that there are plenty of Mexican Americans in governance roles.

And? What would that have to do with the inability of Mexicans to govern Mexico?

This isn’t a racial issue. Nothing inherent prevents them from governing. It’s a political cultural issue in Mexico and most of Latin America more broadly.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:48 pm to
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Jesus, did you become dense overnight?

No. I’ve just grown completely intolerant of this “poor pitiful Mexico is just trying its hardest to help and we need to make concessions to them so they’ll help us better” mentality.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
27441 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:50 pm to
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If only we had several examples of what occurs when you tie geographic, economic, and migratory interests together. If only.

Why don’t you just post your point?

Tell me how I’m totally wrong and how Mexico isn’t responsible for anything at all. Tell me how they’ve been great partners and allies.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36571 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:52 pm to
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No. I’ve just grown completely intolerant of this “poor pitiful Mexico is just trying its hardest to help and we need to make concessions to them so they’ll help us better” mentality.



Who the frick has said that?

Look, it is clear what is happening with this list of demands. It is exceedingly commonplace in international relations. Why you can't seem to judge that on its own terms is a weird rhetorical strategy that I don't understand, as nothing you've said as really elucidated anything about Mexican-American relations.

Again, we have several corollaries with respect to migrant issues and what can happen if those issues aren't addressed directly. I'm talking about within the last 15 years.
Posted by roll to victory
Hoover, AL
Member since Aug 2018
902 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:53 pm to
Trump issues war on the Mexican drug cartels in the first week of 2nd term.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6005 posts
Posted on 1/8/24 at 4:53 pm to
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He wants the U.S. to deploy $20 billion plan to help Mexico and Central American countries dealing with the root causes of migration


This will definitely help. Once the US is as shitty as Central/South America (through one of the many routes were trying including extreme financial irresponsibility) there won't be any illegal immigration.
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