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re: What’s your solution for the homeless?

Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:57 am to
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:57 am to
Bringing back long term mental health institutions. And more affordable drug treatment facilities (that aren’t just Medicaid based).
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:58 am to
concentration camps out middle of the desert
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired
Member since Feb 2019
4682 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:03 pm to
Periodically a collection of Do Gooders get together and provide food baskets in Canton, MS. There are hundreds of cars in line and there's more 2020 Lexus and other cars with huge price tags than 1995 Toyotas.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54822 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:04 pm to
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Deinstitutionization started in the 1960s.


Not disagreeing, it started with the famous case of some rich / celebrity type that made the headlines and forced the pendulum in the other direction.

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In Lake v. Cameron, a 1966 D.C. Court of Appeals case, the concept of “least restrictive setting” was introduced, requiring hospitals to discharge patients to an environment less restrictive than a hospital if at all possible


Not disagreeing, again, there is a certain percentage of the population that needs long term, locked care facilities. If you could make it outside, great, if not there was a place so you were not homeless or abused in the prison system.

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In the 1975 case of O’Connor v. Donaldson, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that a person had to be a danger to him- or herself or to others for confinement to be constitutional


3 basic rules
+ Danger to self
+ Danger to others
+ Incapacity to manage self / affairs

Had a family member high up on Ronnie's staff and about as old school Republican as you can get. In the past decade or two in private conversation he admits Ronnie's policy on long term locked care facilities was wrong and many current homeless / incarcerated were folks who would haver been in long term locked care facilities that existed before Ronnie's administration axed them. Short term saving but long term high cost. Classic "save a nickel now but cost yourself a dollar later" stuff.


FWIW, part of the issue is lack of factilities but the bigger part is judges wait till AFTER to rule on "harm to others". Kid that killed all those in SC lived about a block away from family member. For at least 6 years, his family, the cops, the school, and the community knew he was a threat to others but judge would not act till after all the dead bodies piled up.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54822 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:05 pm to
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8% of prisons are private.


Source?

Many are "quasi governmental" which is private with legal protection for inability to sue because they are part government.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54822 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:09 pm to
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I've worked with the homeless, what many folks fail to realize is that a fair number are voluntarily homeless. They have SS disability or VA and live on streets for easier access to drugs, alcohol and secks (and they don't want to confirm to society).


Same here

I have been around this issue since the 1960's

It is less about "conforming" and more about self medicating and admitting a percentage of the US population can not live on their own without constant supervision.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18777 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:11 pm to
Put them to work on the southern wall. Then the northern wall
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
2976 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:14 pm to
Jesus Christ would be so proud of the responses in this thread.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45230 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:23 pm to
Starve them out. Stop feeding them, quit sheltering them and don’t let them just camp wherever they want.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 12:28 pm
Posted by bkhrph
Lake Charles
Member since May 2022
173 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:26 pm to
Well I guess the Apostle Paul overruled Jesus in 2 Thessalonians 3:10,
“The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
Not.
The heart of the matter is the matter of the heart.
Some can’t. Some won’t. Big difference.
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124694 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:29 pm to
Send them to Mexico
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18320 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:32 pm to
Yes and 30% of the people in this country think Trump and everybody that supports him should be locked up in a mental institution for life too. Slippery slope ...
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
42049 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:32 pm to
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you got rid of homeless and Illegal Immigrants crime would plunge in this country.


You’re missing the largest criminal element

That segment can only be eradicated by harsh indictments & severe punishments
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
1738 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:37 pm to
Bring back long term mental health facilities for those who are too crazy to live on their own. Make drug treatment available at low or no cost. Have homeless shelters available for those who are willing to follow rules and just need help. Give them a choice between the above 3 and jail.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261771 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Yes and 30% of the people in this country think Trump and everybody that supports him should be locked up in a mental institution for life too. Slippery slope ...


Asylums had plenty of sane people whose families conspired against them.



Posted by StanSmith
Member since May 2018
731 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:41 pm to
Eat them
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
2309 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:42 pm to
Actual mental health and drug facilities that are accessible by the average person would cure most homelessness
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40196 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:43 pm to
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8% of prisons are private. Source?


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In fact, just 7% of all incarcerated people are held in private prisons; the vast majority are in publicly-owned prisons and jails
LINK
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
11465 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:44 pm to
Shoot them
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
1738 posts
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:44 pm to
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Actual mental health and drug facilities that are accessible by the average person would cure most homelessness


Agree. Even if someone in the early, more manageable stages of drug addiction or mental illness can get past the stigma and try to seek help, it’s not affordable for most people.
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