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First time problem with gumbo - help!
Posted on 12/17/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 2:39 pm
I’ve been making gumbo - damn good gumbo if I say so myself - for 20 years. I’ve never had the problem mine gave me yesterday.
I cooked a big gumbo for a big family get together, separating some in a smaller pot and watering it down for the old people with stomach problems. Both were very good with one obviously just being a bit more bland.
When everyone left, I combined the two again. An hour later, the pot had become very frothy on top. When it cooled I stuck it in the fridge. Well I just pulled it out to eat some and it smells sour and tastes disgusting. I’ve never had this happen. Anyone know wtf I did to make this happen?
I cooked a big gumbo for a big family get together, separating some in a smaller pot and watering it down for the old people with stomach problems. Both were very good with one obviously just being a bit more bland.
When everyone left, I combined the two again. An hour later, the pot had become very frothy on top. When it cooled I stuck it in the fridge. Well I just pulled it out to eat some and it smells sour and tastes disgusting. I’ve never had this happen. Anyone know wtf I did to make this happen?
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 2:42 pm to TDsngumbo
Something spoiled is what it seems like. What temperature were the gumbos and how long were they at those temps? What ingredients did you use?
How warm was the gumbo when you put it in the fridge??? Did you put the whole large pot in the fridge?
How warm was the gumbo when you put it in the fridge??? Did you put the whole large pot in the fridge?
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 2:47 pm to SixthAndBarone
I did let it simmer super low for about six hours before eating. It was delicious and had no hint of spoilage until now. When I put it in the fridge, it was a tad warmer than room temperature.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 2:50 pm to TDsngumbo
I’ve mentioned it here numerous times. If you put a large gumbo in the fridge, the middle will not cool in time. It’s not safe to leave a large pot on the stove, outside in the cold, or in the fridge despite your momma doing it and you never getting sick.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 3:17 pm to TDsngumbo
The time it took to properly cool would be my assumption. I can’t say this is definitely what happened, but with the little info you gave us, this would be my first guess.
This image can give you an idea of the danger zone for bacteria growth. Your gumbo was hotter than room temp. Assuming room temp is 70, let’s assume your gumbo was 80. It needs to get from 80 to 40 in the correct amount of time (this is not taking into account the amount of time needed to go from 140 to 80).
Your fridge is 40. So if you put a shallow pan with a little gumbo in the fridge, it can get to 40 pretty quick. Now imagine a big pot full of gumbo. How long will it take the middle of that gumbo to get to 40? This is why you want to store your gumbo in small shallow containers and not a large pot or container.
Now, the CORRECT bacteria need to be PRESENT for this to happen. So not cooling properly doesn’t always mean bacteria will grow. But it does always mean that bacteria CAN grow.
This image can give you an idea of the danger zone for bacteria growth. Your gumbo was hotter than room temp. Assuming room temp is 70, let’s assume your gumbo was 80. It needs to get from 80 to 40 in the correct amount of time (this is not taking into account the amount of time needed to go from 140 to 80).
Your fridge is 40. So if you put a shallow pan with a little gumbo in the fridge, it can get to 40 pretty quick. Now imagine a big pot full of gumbo. How long will it take the middle of that gumbo to get to 40? This is why you want to store your gumbo in small shallow containers and not a large pot or container.
Now, the CORRECT bacteria need to be PRESENT for this to happen. So not cooling properly doesn’t always mean bacteria will grow. But it does always mean that bacteria CAN grow.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:33 pm to SixthAndBarone
It's also helpful to note that spoilage bacteria are psychrotrophic, which means that they can grow at refrigeration temperatures which leads to the foul smell.
These bacteria are typically eliminated during pasteurization which is why they are more associated with foods consisting of or containing protein that are stored, chilled, or at ambient temperature.
These bacteria are typically eliminated during pasteurization which is why they are more associated with foods consisting of or containing protein that are stored, chilled, or at ambient temperature.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 9:12 pm to TDsngumbo
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Well I just pulled it out to eat some and it smells sour and tastes disgusting
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:43 pm to Jake88
I did leave the top on it in the fridge which I don’t normally do! Lesson learned as I will be much more careful next time. First time in damn near 20 years of making gumbo that this has happened to me. Hated throwing out all that gumbo!
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:02 am to TDsngumbo
It happens. Despite what momma did growing up.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:37 am to TDsngumbo
How hot was the pot when you put it in the fridge and how big was the pot? Did you just take it off the heat and then put in fridge?
How fresh was the meat that you used?
How fresh was the meat that you used?
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:41 am to SUB
I've done this with a larger pot...hotter in the middle than I recognized as it went to the fridge (with a lid on). Fate was sealed...haha.
You can put a warm pot in the fridge if you keep the lid off and stir a few times until it is thoroughly chilled. Otherwise, that product id likely to waste.
You can put a warm pot in the fridge if you keep the lid off and stir a few times until it is thoroughly chilled. Otherwise, that product id likely to waste.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:43 am to TDsngumbo
When cooking a large pot of gumbo or beans the night before, I've always been concerned about it not cooling below 40 degrees quickly enough. I put the pot in an ice water bath and stir the contents every few minutes.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 8:50 am to TDsngumbo
I agree with SixthandBarone on all of this.
For some reason, most of the FDB does not believe in foodborne illness.
OP - When I make a big batch of anything, I break it down into multiple disposable aluminum pans when I put it in the fridge. It cools down to below 40 much quicker than leaving in any pot.
For some reason, most of the FDB does not believe in foodborne illness.
OP - When I make a big batch of anything, I break it down into multiple disposable aluminum pans when I put it in the fridge. It cools down to below 40 much quicker than leaving in any pot.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:31 am to TDsngumbo
When I make large pots, I break it up into smaller pots to cool and go in the fridge. I remember my Mom had a large vegetable soup curdle one time or maybe it was me. Too long ago to remember, but I can picture what it looked like and it wasn't pretty!
Posted on 12/18/23 at 9:49 am to Gris Gris
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When I make large pots, I break it up into smaller pots to cool and go in the fridge
yep, i'm far from an expert but, i cooked a 3 gallon gumbo friday. separate in ton 4 containers and put it in the fridge.
reheated it for a party saturday and it was awesome.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:14 am to SmokedBrisket2018
I noticed my wife's larger Tupperware containers always had dimensions such that the middle of the vessel was no more than 2 or 3 inches from a container wall. I presume this is so the heat in the contents can quickly dissipate.
If you think about it, your container should be an efficient heat sink, and you want the heat to come out as quickly as possible.
If you think about it, your container should be an efficient heat sink, and you want the heat to come out as quickly as possible.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:24 am to SmokedBrisket2018
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For some reason, most of the FDB does not believe in foodborne illness.
Correct. Yet, seems like many here just don’t want to accept it.
I always stress the fact that it doesn’t mean bacteria will grow or that you will get sick, but it does mean it can.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 10:41 am to SmokedBrisket2018
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For some reason, most of the FDB does not believe in foodborne illness.
in my case it's not that i don't believe it (i've had food poisoning), just that i don't think about it sometimes.
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