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Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:41 pm to notiger1997
quote:https://twitter.com/LiveStormChaser/status/1733965296581464105
Live Storm Chasers
@LiveStormChaser
So, you know that big fire explosion as the tornado it an electric substation in the Nashville, Tennesse area yesterday?...
Well, here is the damage... Located in Madison, TN it sustained significant damage. The control building was damaged as well as some of the interior structure.
Source/Nashville Electric Service
Posted on 12/10/23 at 6:30 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
@NWSNashville
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Storm survey findings from December 9, 2023 tornado outbreak in #MiddleTN:
Clarksville: EF-3 with winds of 150 mph.
Madison/Hendersonville/Gallatin: (preliminary) EF-2 with winds of 125 mph.
Further surveys will be completed over the coming days. #tnwx
Posted on 12/10/23 at 7:49 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
It’s weird how the corner of that tornado warning area cuts off at Kentucky.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 8:10 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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ABC 33/40 News
@abc3340
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34m
UPDATE: The National Weather Service said there were two short tornado tracks confirmed in Jefferson County. There was an EF-1 tornado just north of Lakeshore Parkway from Wildwood to Samford and another EF-1 from Brookwood Mall to Cahaba Heights.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 8:29 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
I’m in MB and we were fortunate but there many around us that weren’t the same. Many still don’t have power and I’ve lost count on the amount of busted walls and roofs from fallen trees. We had three down in our yard that busted up our fence real good. One tree landed a foot away from our bedroom. My mailbox was three doors in a neighbors yard.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 8:38 pm to mwlewis
Have seen tons of damage pics today
Glad everyone is ok though
Glad everyone is ok though
Posted on 12/10/23 at 11:36 pm to Northshoretiger87
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It’s weird how the corner of that tornado warning area cuts off at Kentucky.
That has to do with where the NWS Memphis area of responsibility cuts off. Their WFO covers to the state line, any continuation of that warning into Kentucky would have been picked up by NWS Paducah.
In most cases the different weather forecasting offices will coordinate warnings. Sometimes there are differences in opinions between mets at different offices. NWS Memphis isn't always the easiest office to work with it seems, but in this case it is just standard operating procedure.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:54 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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ABC 33/40 News @abc3340 · 34m UPDATE: The National Weather Service said there were two short tornado tracks confirmed in Jefferson County. There was an EF-1 tornado just north of Lakeshore Parkway from Wildwood to Samford and another EF-1 from Brookwood Mall to Cahaba Heights.
We are in Edgewood (a few blocks north of Samford/Lakeshore) and the damage is something. I’ve seen so many bad storms head towards Bham only to veer north or south. You just (wrongly) assume that maybe Red Mountain and Shades Crest played some role in protecting the area.
Kind of shocked how the sirens or phone alerts didn’t go off. Lots of people discussing that since they confirmed it was a tornado.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 5:25 am to FairhopeTider
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You just (wrongly) assume that maybe Red Mountain and Shades Crest played some role in protecting the area.
Years ago we were hit by a tornado. We were in the low spot, and houses up on top of the hill,where the tornado path crossed over, were relatively unscathed.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 5:33 am to FairhopeTider
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You just (wrongly) assume that maybe Red Mountain and Shades Crest played some role in protecting the area.
A tornado warning was never issued. This was one of those situations where a line of severe thunderstorms comes through with severe straight line winds, but then produces a couple of quick, spin up tornadoes, as well. Those quick, spin up tornadoes are hard to warn for. However, the National Weather Service did issue a severe thunderstorm warning for the entire Birmingham metro and I believe they mentioned the possibility of a spin up tornado in that warning. Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t pay much attention to severe thunderstorm warnings.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 5:34 am
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:50 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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However, the National Weather Service did issue a severe thunderstorm warning for the entire Birmingham metro and I believe they mentioned the possibility of a spin up tornado in that warning. Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t pay much attention to severe thunderstorm warnings.
Then a tornado warning should have been issued. Plenty of times a tornado is never confirmed in a tornado warning, just a radar indicated one.
Not sure who all would have done things differently since it occurred so late
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:54 am to East Coast Band
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Then a tornado warning should have been issued
people bitch to no end about "potential freeze warnings"
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:49 am to East Coast Band
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Then a tornado warning should have been issued. Plenty of times a tornado is never confirmed in a tornado warning, just a radar indicated one.
Not sure who all would have done things differently since it occurred so late
That's why I always say to treat storms like that (a line with high winds and embedded rotations) like a tornado warning when it rolls through. The NWS, nor anyone else, is going to catch 100% of those type tornadoes. Even if they do, by the time the warning is issued and pushed to the public that type tornado will have already done its damage and gone.
I've seen confirmed tornadoes that had a duration of less time than it takes for the radar to update a new scan. If the couplet didn't form on radar at just the right time, the radar never saw it. It just is what it is.
Never trust those QLCS storms with high winds and embedded rotations. Of course, the biggest threat they pose to life is to people in vehicles or in mobile homes. If you're driving or live in a mobile home, treat those storms like you would a tornado warning. Otherwise, those brief spin-ups aren't generally killer tornadoes, and that's good because we will never catch them all.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 6:46 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t pay much attention to severe thunderstorm warnings.
The problem is post-April 27th, the area will often shut down at the threat of potential storms and nothing happens. So a lot of people tune out something if there isn’t a tornado warning. Then when anyone dare question people like Spann, they send their army of simps after that person. What good is it to throw off the suspenders and repeat the name of every backroad in St. Clair county but the system or network doesn’t go all in when there’s a storm that has potential to spin off tornados of f’n 280 and Lakeshore Drive?
But it seems to me that if these storms can cause tornados but there’s no advance warning because it’s not technically a tornado warning, then there’s some sort of gap in the system there. The storm on Saturday was clearly more intense than your average thunderstorm but lot of people didn’t get in a safe spot because there was no siren, no phone alert going off to no end, and the TV stations didn’t have wall-to-wall coverage. That story has been repeated a lot over the last day. We’re very fortunate that nobody lost their life.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 7:18 pm to FairhopeTider
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The problem is post-April 27th, the area will often shut down at the threat of potential storms and nothing happens.
Is this really an issue? I'm in north AL, dealt with 4/27/11, and we don't shut down like that.
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but the system or network doesn’t go all in when there’s a storm that has potential to spin off tornados
The system worked exactly as it is intended to work. The severe thunderstorm warning included the possibility of a spin-up tornado. Rarely will any NWS blanket warn a line of storms for tornadoes. That has proven to be an even worse approach than possibly missing a brief, spin-up tornado. Large swaths of a county wind up being warned and the majority are nowhere near the suspect area of circulation. That leads to even more people not paying attention.
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But it seems to me that if these storms can cause tornados but there’s no advance warning because it’s not technically a tornado warning, then there’s some sort of gap in the system there.
At a certain point it becomes the responsibility of the individual. Strong QLCS systems often get the "tornado possible" tag. They also can get the "destructive thunderstorm" tag for winds in excess of 80mph. I'll tell you a secret, it doesn't matter if winds are rotating or not......80+ mph winds can do similar damage as a low-end tornado. People regularly ignore those warnings, though. Severe thunderstorm warnings should garner similar attention from the general public as do tornado warnings, particularly on high shear days.
I said it in an earlier post, and I will say it again......we will never, ever, ever catch every single tornado in a QLCS system. Radar doesn't work that way, and no met working a warning desk has a crystal ball. If we start trying to warn every single spot in a line of storms that could possibly produce a brief, spin-up tornado the false alarm rate will skyrocket much higher than it already is.
The overwhelming majority of tornadoes from those type systems are not killer tornadoes. Public messaging for such systems should be geared toward not driving during those systems and not staying in a mobile home when they are forecast. Everyone else in a sturdy structure and not outside are relatively "safe" during those events.
Long story short: you could have been given the warning for one of those tornadoes and it wouldn't have made one bit of difference. It was over and gone before it was ever seen on radar. I know that for a fact as I had an EF1 in that exact scenario pass about 40 yards from my house several years ago. No warning and no possible chance of one. The overall path length was just over a quarter mile and the time on the ground was something like five minutes. Radar was useless.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:28 pm to LegendInMyMind
Footage from substation
Twitter video
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R A W S A L E R T S
@rawsalerts
#BREAKING: New Released Footage Captures the Moment the electrical substation Exploded During Deadly EF2 Tornado
#Madison | #Tennessee
Brand New Released Footage, that was revealed today, captures the moment when a Deadly EF2 Tornado hits an electrical power substation during the tornado emergency near Nashville, affecting Madison and Hendersonville amidst the deadly tornado outbreak that took place across Tennessee on Saturday. Nashville Electric Service officials confirmed today that the explosion, which caused a large fireball, originated from the electrical substation, sustaining significant damage as the tornado blew through.
Twitter video
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:31 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Been living in Nashville for a year now.
Firs time I've ever heard a Tornado siren. Was wild to see the cloud shapes (didn't see the Tornado) and the wind basically stopped blowing for a bit.
Firs time I've ever heard a Tornado siren. Was wild to see the cloud shapes (didn't see the Tornado) and the wind basically stopped blowing for a bit.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:33 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Video: 5 stars
Soundtrack: 1 star
Soundtrack: 1 star
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