Ingram has literally been our worst player this season, Zion also has not been good

I have been out on BI for awhile, but this season just confirms it.

I need him to play better though, so we can get better value at the trade deadline.

Unfortunately, Griffin does not have the balls to trade him.

This is crazy.

I think Zion will be fine by December if he stays healthy. We've seen how his fitness impacts his defensive motor and offensive efficiency.

Ingram on the other hand needs to change the way he plays. He was launching 3s unabashedly, which is good. So I don't think he's trying to not fit, it's just not his natural inclination.

Nothing is going to happen trade wise until near the deadline anyway, so hopefully they figure it out before then or it will be a long winter for Pels fans.

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Shamit posted a graphic.

-7.3 with both on

We’re +10.56 with Zion and Ingram both out

-14 with Zion on and Ingram off

-23 with Ingram on and Zion off

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It's not just ingram. We suck when our stars play.

It is incredibly frustrating to watch.

We've given them a good supporting cast and they are fumbling it. Give any other 2 stars in this league the supporting cast that Zion and BI have had and i guarantee you they would have a better record than these bums

We've got two head chefs in the kitchen. That's the biggest problem. Zion is being too much of a pussy/and fat and needs to take this shite over.

He definitely needs to go but follow that twitter page some more and they show some plays from Zion too. They’re both playing like absolute shite and just don’t give a flyin frick on defense.

Zion and BI just not caring

Looking further into the numbers, we’re immensely better defensively with Zion than Ingram.

With Zion on Ingram off
Opp 2 pt %: 58.93
Opp 3 pt%: 29.35
Def Rtg: 118.47 (would be 26th in league)

With Ingram on Zion off (this is alarming)
Opp 2 pt%: 67.86%
Opp 3 pt%: 41.25%
Def Rtg: 129.83 (would be worst in league by 9 points)

I think its pretty clear that Griffin likes BI better. We will see if that means anything.

I would have to see specifics on these defenses because I can assure you zions defense is not contributing to such a decrease in 3pt percentage lol

I think him having the ball more and offense focused on him will in turn make him care more. Again we saw this in December last year. Stars care more when they featured more. They stop caring when they’re not. Not saying Zion needs to man up but I can promise you his defense will change if thus team becimes more Zion centered.