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Wim Hoff method does not improve health- new study
Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:29 am
Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:29 am
review from Menno on new study
As i have said before...cold exposure has no real health benefits and blunts the hypertrophic response of resistance training. Zero affect on physical health markers
now if it makes you feel good, fell energized...whatever, even if its just placebo....keep doing it. but it doesnt help your health.
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The WH Method combines cold exposure, breathing exercises and mindfulness meditation. Wim claims it offers a wide range of psychological and physical benefits in as few as 10 days.
This new study sought to find out if we too can become icemen (icepersons..?) in 15 days by following the WH Method from his book, including daily meditation, breathing exercises and cold showers.
The WH Method did not significantly affect stress, wellbeing, vitality, cardiovascular health (incl. heart rate and HRV) or pain tolerance during cold exposure. Basically, it did nada in this randomized, controlled setting.
My take is that cold exposure can be great to provide an acute boost of energy, especially in the mornings or when you're tired. It's like taking an adrenaline shot. The research support for any long-term benefits is shaky to say the least
As i have said before...cold exposure has no real health benefits and blunts the hypertrophic response of resistance training. Zero affect on physical health markers
now if it makes you feel good, fell energized...whatever, even if its just placebo....keep doing it. but it doesnt help your health.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:23 am to lsu777
Meditation in general doesn't improve health or longevity. It can make you relaxed which can lower stress levels but the act itself doesn't do anything
Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:49 am to letsgobowling110599
correct. i think their is value in cold water immersion and meditation etc from a mental health standpoint, even if it doesnt show up in the physical markers.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:47 pm to lsu777
I didn't need a stjdy to tell me this shite was pure garbage.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 3:59 pm to Tiger Ryno
I agree but some people swear by it cause you know….feelings and shite
Posted on 11/10/23 at 6:31 pm to lsu777
A fifteen day study on diet and exercise proves something? What am I missing here?
Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:44 pm to lsu777
Link the study. I’d be curious to read it. Is Huberman’s claim about the dopamine effect incorrect? I feel less anxious when I do it. I am also pretty addicted to doing it.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:28 pm to lsu777
I'd be interested in seeing what exactly they measured. In the past some studies have found effects on the nervous system, for example, from heat or cold exposure. And I believe some heat shock protein expression is increased by heat / cold exposure.
I think there is mechanistic evidence to suggest it would have a beneficial effect - does that translate to an actual effect? I don't know.
I wonder if anyone has done microarray studies in response to extreme temp exposure.
I think there is mechanistic evidence to suggest it would have a beneficial effect - does that translate to an actual effect? I don't know.
I wonder if anyone has done microarray studies in response to extreme temp exposure.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 7:51 am to lsu777
Title needs to be more specific in that it doesn’t improve markers for cardiovascular health. Further, I’m not sure there’s enough to warrant such claims in the particular study.
Research shows that it reduces inflammation and helps regulate mood:
The study’s participants weren’t in that great of health:
The cold exposure wasn’t exactly as frigid as Wim Hof or other cold exposure advocates would suggest:
I’m not a Wim Hof proponent, but the study is kind of weak. It seems logical that warm or hot immersion would aid better in muscle development due to increased blood flow. But in terms of overall health markers that influence cardiovascular health, I’m not sure the new study has enough to make a definite conclusion.
Research shows that it reduces inflammation and helps regulate mood:
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Preliminary research suggests that the WHM may have benefits in areas such as inflammation and mood regulation. Petraskova et al.14 found that an intervention applying the WHM was associated with a reduction in depressive symptoms in members of an Antarctic expedition. Kox et al.15 and Zwaag et al.16, found that subjects who performed the WHM showed a significantly attenuated inflammatory response compared to a control group during experimental human endotoxemia.
The study’s participants weren’t in that great of health:
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Eligibility criteria included (1) being male, (2) having no underlying health conditions, (3) not using antihypertensive or other cardiovascular medications, (4) not engaging in regular exercise training, (5) and not having prior experience with any of the components of the intervention (breathing, meditation, or cold exposure). A total of 42 participants (aged 26.7 ± 5.7 years; body mass index 22.8 ± 2.0 kg/m2) volunteered to participate in the study (Fig. 1).
The cold exposure wasn’t exactly as frigid as Wim Hof or other cold exposure advocates would suggest:
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The cold-water exposure component involved exposure to cold water in the form of cold showers. Participants were instructed to take shower in cold water for a set period of time, starting with 30 s, and increase the time each day by 5 s as they become acclimated. The participants received an MP3 file that emitted a sound every ten seconds to keep track of the time. Furthermore, clear instructions were provided to the participants regarding the duration and specific body parts to be exposed to the cold. They began by showering their feet and legs (front and back) for 10 s, then their torso (front and back) for 10 s, and finally their entire body, including their head, for 10 s or the remaining time. The water temperature should be adjusted to the coldest possible setting.
I’m not a Wim Hof proponent, but the study is kind of weak. It seems logical that warm or hot immersion would aid better in muscle development due to increased blood flow. But in terms of overall health markers that influence cardiovascular health, I’m not sure the new study has enough to make a definite conclusion.
This post was edited on 11/11/23 at 7:52 am
Posted on 11/11/23 at 10:33 am to lsu777
I’m less and less likely to listen to studies as most are absolute shite on setting them up.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 8:24 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
I agree many studies are setup like shite
I agree common sense and experience tells us different than the studies many times
I agree this study overall sucked and I’ll link iit Monday
But there is more and more evidence that cold water immersion is pretty much useless other than the mental aspects.
I used to do it all the time and couple years ago prolly would have told you despite it not making sense, seems it works. I was wrong
This is just one more study, even though every limited, that shows cwi is kind of useless from health standpoint
But
As I have said before, if the shite makes you feel good, do it. Lots of things I do I think might actually be useless and some things some experts, some I respect a ton , that I just think sucks and defies logic.
I agree common sense and experience tells us different than the studies many times
I agree this study overall sucked and I’ll link iit Monday
But there is more and more evidence that cold water immersion is pretty much useless other than the mental aspects.
I used to do it all the time and couple years ago prolly would have told you despite it not making sense, seems it works. I was wrong
This is just one more study, even though every limited, that shows cwi is kind of useless from health standpoint
But
As I have said before, if the shite makes you feel good, do it. Lots of things I do I think might actually be useless and some things some experts, some I respect a ton , that I just think sucks and defies logic.
Posted on 11/11/23 at 9:39 pm to lsu777
The only thing I know is from personal experience. If my workouts or diets get in a funk. When I cold therapy, I smash through the funks.
I don’t do it all the time. Just when I feel like I need to shake things up.
That’s all I got. Anecdotal, I know but I think it is legit.
I don’t do it all the time. Just when I feel like I need to shake things up.
That’s all I got. Anecdotal, I know but I think it is legit.
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