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Why Heisman voting is so messed up
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:04 am
Jacques Doucet was on Jordy’s show this morning and he mentioned that he had a Heisman vote so they asked who he would vote for. First, he said he hasn’t watched Michael Penix at all and even got his name wrong thinking it was “Pennits”. Them went on to say “who else is in it?”
My point is you have hundreds of people like him who are only watching players from their school/conference and have no clue about any other players. And they are voting on national awards. When you ask why JD doesn’t get the recognition he deserves, it’s because of people like Doucet.
My point is you have hundreds of people like him who are only watching players from their school/conference and have no clue about any other players. And they are voting on national awards. When you ask why JD doesn’t get the recognition he deserves, it’s because of people like Doucet.
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Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:08 am to LSBoosie
The biggest problem with the Heisman is its made into a predominant QB award.
Past 50 years:
QB: 26 (14 of the last 17)
RB: 20
WR: 3
CB: 1 (woodson)
49 of 50 are WR skill positions, its absurd that more recognition doesn't go to "BEST FOOTBALL PLAYER"
Past 50 years:
QB: 26 (14 of the last 17)
RB: 20
WR: 3
CB: 1 (woodson)
49 of 50 are WR skill positions, its absurd that more recognition doesn't go to "BEST FOOTBALL PLAYER"
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:13 am to LSBoosie
Same thing here. You say JD and ask who else is in it.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:16 am to LSBoosie
They give the voters a big packet of stuff, including stats and highlight reels, before they vote.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:18 am to LSBoosie
heisman voting usually pertains to the best team instead of the best player
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:18 am to LSBoosie
I mean that’s why they divide the voters into regional sections, to even out this bias.
Now go ask a reporter with a vote on the West coast who their heisman candidate is - they’ll say Penix or Nix & won’t mention Daniels.
It evens itself out.
Now go ask a reporter with a vote on the West coast who their heisman candidate is - they’ll say Penix or Nix & won’t mention Daniels.
It evens itself out.
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 9:19 am
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:58 am to LSBoosie
For all those in the press who have one vote, they ought to give a ten-fold strength of vote to the past Heisman winners. They have lived the role of the award and what it all entails. I have to trust that they have integrity sufficient to weigh in and (collectively) provide a balanced weight to the outcome.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:30 am to LSBoosie
here is how the Heisman is decided
Best QB on a Contender.
Great non QB on the Best team
Best QB
Group one includes:
Young, Burrow, Murray, Mayfield, Mariota, Winston, Newton, Bradford, Troy Smith, Leinert, White
Group 2 Includes:
Devonta Smith, Henry, Ingram. none of them win if Bama isn’t undefeated.
Group 3 Includes:
Caleb Jackson, Lamar Jackson, Manziel, RGIII, Tebow.
Carson Palmer is an interesting outlier. Looking at 2002, Miami has 2 guys with good stats. looks like the best team till they lose the fiesta Bowl. McGahee had 28 Td which is wild. Dorsey threw for 28 more. they combines for less votes than Palmer so not a matter of splitting the vote.
Reggie Bush is another outlier. Best player in what was considered the best team but Vince Young was also undefeated and had a great year.
maybe a category should be should be “best player on good USC team”
Best QB on a Contender.
Great non QB on the Best team
Best QB
Group one includes:
Young, Burrow, Murray, Mayfield, Mariota, Winston, Newton, Bradford, Troy Smith, Leinert, White
Group 2 Includes:
Devonta Smith, Henry, Ingram. none of them win if Bama isn’t undefeated.
Group 3 Includes:
Caleb Jackson, Lamar Jackson, Manziel, RGIII, Tebow.
Carson Palmer is an interesting outlier. Looking at 2002, Miami has 2 guys with good stats. looks like the best team till they lose the fiesta Bowl. McGahee had 28 Td which is wild. Dorsey threw for 28 more. they combines for less votes than Palmer so not a matter of splitting the vote.
Reggie Bush is another outlier. Best player in what was considered the best team but Vince Young was also undefeated and had a great year.
maybe a category should be should be “best player on good USC team”
Posted on 11/8/23 at 10:31 am to LSBoosie
Daniels had two prime time opportunities to win the heisman, against Fla St and Alabama. He played poorly for both.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 12:15 pm to LSBoosie
You think it's bad now?
Imagine being a voter in the 50's/60's when you only watched 1 game a week.
Imagine being a voter in the 50's/60's when you only watched 1 game a week.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 12:17 pm to LSBoosie
It's essentially just the quarterback of the best team award when it should be the best football player award. But like OP suggests, the media members that vote have neither the time nor inclination to decide who that is.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 12:23 pm to LSBoosie
JD isn't even close to the Heisman. His top 3 games this year against good opponents was bad. FSU and MISS he was terrible and Against AL he was beaten by a freshman QB. There are 30-40 players better than him maybe more.
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:24 pm to LSBoosie
Living here in Alabama, I've had the (regrettable) opportunity to hear some of radio personalities respond to whether they would have Daniels as their front runner. Many said he should be invited, but they couldn't commit to putting him #1.
I know they aren't the actual voters, but it does show something: even though Daniels was absolutely torching the Bama defense, the fact that Bama won will be used against him.
This game wasn't Leonard Fournette getting only 31 yards against Bama. But, the result will be the same.
If Jacques Doucet and the media in Alabama couldn't watch him in this game and see he's should be the clear leader, he has no chance to win the award.
Thanks Matt House.
GEAUX TIGERS
I know they aren't the actual voters, but it does show something: even though Daniels was absolutely torching the Bama defense, the fact that Bama won will be used against him.
This game wasn't Leonard Fournette getting only 31 yards against Bama. But, the result will be the same.
If Jacques Doucet and the media in Alabama couldn't watch him in this game and see he's should be the clear leader, he has no chance to win the award.
Thanks Matt House.
GEAUX TIGERS
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