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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:38 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:38 am
can superheated steam ignite a flammable substance?
Posted by Paddyshack
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:41 am to
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flammable substance

are we talking paper or propane?
Posted by Pledge
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:41 am to
Yes
Posted by dyslexiateechur
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:41 am to
Probably not at atm.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:41 am to
any flammable substance
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:44 am to
Superheated steam can heat flammable liquids to their flashpoint, which would then emit vapors that are easily ignited. Additionally, steam can heat flammable liquids to their autoignition temps. So, Yes.
Posted by Paddyshack
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:44 am to
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any flammable substance

I would imagine it depends on the substance.

Paper? probably not due to moisture in the steam
Propane or other flammable gases? probably
Posted by Ribbed
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:01 am to
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can superheated steam ignite a flammable substance?

Asking for a friend updating his insurance policy.
Posted by Trevaylin
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:23 am to
no...steam is used to extinguish flames by displacing oxygen .
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:26 am to
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can superheated steam ignite a flammable substance?


Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:27 am to
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Superheated steam can heat flammable liquids to their flashpoint, which would then emit vapors that are easily ignited. Additionally, steam can heat flammable liquids to their autoignition temps. So, Yes.


This could all be bullshite, but you sound confident and used big words so I believe you.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:50 pm to
Anyone who has been through demolition school in the Army can answer this ... and the answer is yes.

Even paper.

Superheat the steam to above 800° C and it'll ignite anything flammable.

How to superheat it to that temperature is a trade secret but ... it's pretty easy.

It's a methodology used to cause secondary ignition and explosion especially in enemy processing facilities.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:53 pm to
Ignite? Well, it is a heat source. Keeping it burning might be harder than expected.

Also, flammable and inflammable mean the same thing.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:55 pm to
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How to superheat it to that temperature is a trade secret but ... it's pretty easy.


Pressure.
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:56 pm to
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Also, flammable and inflammable mean the same thing.


This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:05 pm to
It is always a fun thing to put out there.

Someone is going to reply with a dictionary entry that tries to differentiate the two, but flammable comes from inflammable. We slowly started converting years ago because of the confusion in the translation.

Anyone who has watched Archer should know this.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted by AgCoug
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:10 pm to
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How to superheat it to that temperature is a trade secret but ... it's pretty easy.


That's the info I was looking for. I guess it's off to google now.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:10 pm to
There's videos on the interwebs of people burning paper with supe heated steam.
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:31 pm to
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Anyone who has watched Archer should know this


Just to be clear, you're using a cartoon as a reference?

Also, RAMPAGE!
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 2:29 pm to
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can superheated steam ignite a flammable substance?




Not enough info to give a good answer.

Superheated steam could be at any temperature above the boiling point of water at the pressure it of the system it is in. So 212.1 degrees Fahrenheit is superheated at atmospheric pressure.

To reach the autoignition temp of gasoline you would need to get close to 500 degF. I'm not sure you generally see superheated steam that hot.
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