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Convince Me That The Overall Talent On Defense Is The Worst In The History Of Our Program

Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:31 am
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50480 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:31 am
I'm sorry but I don't think this group, as a collective, is this historically bad. Yes, I know what the stats say, but with a half decent coaching staff, they would not be this bad. There is way too much talent there. We have solid guys at each level. Yes, we are lacking in the secondary, but with a pressure scheme or something somewhat creative, they could be middle-third defense in CFB.

We need something like what happened in 2021 when the DC was fired and we ran the Cover Zero scheme with great success. I know we ran one play out of Cover Zero last night and we actually stopped them on 4th down with pressure. One of the few times all year we did it.

I just refuse to believe these guys are that bad. Convince me they are. I'm begging someone to.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8186 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:34 am to
The secondary is probably the least talented defensive unit we’ve had since the 90’s.

But yeah our scheme also sucks. Also the position/discipline coaching is terrible. Even when the scheme is ok individual players continually frick up by not setting the edge or not knowing the coverage.

Finally we’re the worst tackling team I’ve ever seen. Whatever we’re doing in the S&C dept and off season preparation is not working. I know Kelly came in and decided to rework all that….and it’s been an abject failure
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 10:35 am
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
4829 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:37 am to
Aggressive cover zero requires your DL to collapse the pocket and bullrush. We aren't getting a noticeable push with 9 in the box. A team like Bama would pre-motion the hell out of you and gash you. But anything is better than this current vision underneath zone bullshite I guess. At least go down swinging like a 90's basketball on turf Big 12 team like Texas Tech.
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36247 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:39 am to
quote:

I'm sorry but I don't think this group, as a collective, is this historically bad.


Almost stopped reading here, but…

quote:

with a half decent coaching staff, they would not be this bad.


This is probably true.
Posted by Ralphiemay
Member since Dec 2022
299 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:50 am to
It might be three issues most likely , 1. Talent is obviously not top notch 2. Inexperience and all that entails and 3. Lack of ability to understand the scheme by new players - this might explain why we are so basic on defense , House did great last year , I doubt he forgot how to call a defense . But if the players he has to work with can’t pick up the scheme then he’s forced to keep things very simple .
Posted by demtigers73
Coastal Club
Member since Aug 2014
5535 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:58 am to
D-Line is azz!

Alabama held OM to 10 points and had instant pressure without the blitz.

This front just isn't good. Secondary is complete and utter trash.

We were sold fools gold!
Posted by tiggah1981
Winterfell
Member since Aug 2007
17064 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:01 am to
when you have two 5 star defensive players out of high school getting bullied game in and game out that kind of gives a sense of how overrated our talent is

Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19602 posts
Posted on 10/1/23 at 12:28 pm to
When I’ve heard the “failure to execute” excuse previously, that’s meant the team doesn’t have the personnel to run the coordinator’s scheme, and the coordinator isn’t going to tailor anything to the personnel he has. Think “drop linebacker”.

Get ready for a long season.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 12:31 pm
Posted by longhorn_tiger fan
leander tx
Member since Oct 2018
356 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:46 am to
Not the worst.
But zero speed for edge containment.
No standout linebackers.
Horrible play calling for secondary.
Lots of guys watching opposing players run past them with the ball.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5085 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:53 am to
quote:


I'm sorry but I don't think this group, as a collective, is this historically bad. Yes, I know what the stats say, but with a half decent coaching staff, they would not be this bad. There is way too much talent there. We have solid guys at each level. Yes, we are lacking in the secondary, but with a pressure scheme or something somewhat creative, they could be middle-third defense in CFB.

We need something like what happened in 2021 when the DC was fired and we ran the Cover Zero scheme with great success. I know we ran one play out of Cover Zero last night and we actually stopped them on 4th down with pressure. One of the few times all year we did it.

I just refuse to believe these guys are that bad. Convince me they are. I'm begging someone to.


70% blue chip rate on D including 3 5* and a couple more top 100 players
If you go by recruiting rankings the D is more talented than the Offense

Ain't no way they shouldn't be at least a top 50 defense
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
12830 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 7:58 am to
It is a poorly coached group with very limited talent.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67178 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 8:07 am to
It’s both.

Our secondary is a combination of very young and not so talented.

I like our talent at LB but I dont love who we’re playing. But again, our best talent is a Tr Frehsmen and a position less Sophomore

Jack- Ovie is deeply untalented. Swinson looks better but still isn’t great. would be a great backup to a good Jack LB

DL- Smith is not 100%. Jones is bad. Wingo is a rare bright spot but can’t do too much on his own. Jefferson looks good too. Womack looks good but isn’t playing.

So that’s the talent situation. most of our high end potential guys are in their first 1-2 years of college. We have some people who in a good year may play dime.

and then on top of that I think we have coaching issues. Not knowing how to use Perkins. playing guys like Speights, Ovie and Jones. The amount of cushion our CBs play with is insane.

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