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Someone explain the Trump fraud case to me?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:36 am
I don’t get the fraud claim on Trumps property values.
1. A judge can’t just claim a value on a property.
2. When it comes to property taxes or bank loans it doesn’t matter what Trump says or thinks it’s worth. An appraiser or assessor will determine the property value
So how is there fraud?
1. A judge can’t just claim a value on a property.
2. When it comes to property taxes or bank loans it doesn’t matter what Trump says or thinks it’s worth. An appraiser or assessor will determine the property value
So how is there fraud?
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Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:39 am to deltaland
The idiots on this board think Trump can borrow tens of millions of dollars and just make up values. They have zero idea how grown-up world works.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:41 am to deltaland
I was wondering the same thing. I haven't had a bank just take my word for any property I've ever purchased?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:43 am to deltaland
They're going to continue to throw as much shite as possible at Trump for the next 11 months.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:44 am to deltaland
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So how is there fraud?
Saying values are higher than what they are is fraud.
Saying square footage is 3x as big is fraud. This isnt op lying about fishes or his members size its falsifying applications for loans and credit, i.e. FRAUD.
Trump even tried to put in a "worthless clause" in his valuations stating banks/lenders should not rely on them.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 11:47 am to deltaland
At this point just chalk it up to him running for POTUS as a republican. That and they hate him. That makes as much sense as what they are charging him with.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:00 pm to deltaland
Criminals are creating crimes to attempt to deter Trump from being president again.
It’s not going to work, and he will have to send a lot of these people to Gitmo. Hopefully this gets the left coast loons and upper east coast retards on the small nation state bus and we start dismantling this broken union into smaller, more manageable unions moving forward.
It’s not going to work, and he will have to send a lot of these people to Gitmo. Hopefully this gets the left coast loons and upper east coast retards on the small nation state bus and we start dismantling this broken union into smaller, more manageable unions moving forward.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:13 pm to deltaland
There is no fraud. This is yet another made up charge to keep him tied up, with the ultimate goal of keeping Trump from running in 2024. Period
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:18 pm to deltaland
quote:
Someone explain the Trump fraud case to me?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:27 pm to deltaland
quote:
So how is there fraud?
Leftists are just taking a page from their history.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 12:56 pm to deltaland
quote:
Someone explain the Trump fraud case to me?
You could read the case
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:08 pm to deltaland
It is all really, really simple:
On your first point, Orange Man.
On your second point, BAD.
Taken separately nothing, put them together and you get Orange Man BAD!
That means regular things like due process, actual laws, etc. do not matter. They are trying to stop a bad, bad man from becoming president again.
On your first point, Orange Man.
On your second point, BAD.
Taken separately nothing, put them together and you get Orange Man BAD!
That means regular things like due process, actual laws, etc. do not matter. They are trying to stop a bad, bad man from becoming president again.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:17 pm to deltaland
quote:
So how is there fraud?
The same way questioning election outcomes suddenly became insurrection.
The same way presidential papers became espionage.
Remember. Trump was the toast of deep blue NYC while this alleged fraud was going down. What's changed?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 1:18 pm to deltaland
You can't tell
the IRS you have a 3300 sq ft condo in Trump tower
and a bank its 10k sq ft. Same address
And on and on--its math and Trump people hate math
Vote totals, money, lie totals etc
the IRS you have a 3300 sq ft condo in Trump tower
and a bank its 10k sq ft. Same address
And on and on--its math and Trump people hate math
Vote totals, money, lie totals etc
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:28 pm to deltaland
I don't want to spend much time on this because the genesis of the suit is political in nature and as a result legal discussions are secondary to the real issue but I do want to clarify some things that people are getting wrong from a legal POV.
This is a point I have seen over and over again here. One has to understand that fraud (though there are some legal defenses) occurs the moment the loan documents are delivered to an agent of the lending institution. If you misrepresent your income/employment/assets on a loan application you have committed fraud (subject to defenses). If the lender finds the "errors" and still issues the loan based on the correct facts you have still committed fraud.
The fact the loans were paid back in full and on time does not matter in this case, further, it makes no difference that as a result of the former the banks did not suffer any damages, this is because it isn't the banks that are bringing the suit. This is a suit filed by the NY OAG in the name of the People of NY. In common law, this is called a Parens Patriae action. The public policy behind this is the people have a right to a fair marketplace.
The codified basis for the suit is NY's Executive Law.
Again I reiterate this is clearly politically motivated. That being said the company almost certainly committed fraud but the directly aggrieved parties appear to not be damaged and were/are free to modify their approach and dealings with the company. That being said if the OAG can show the pattern of fraud bringing a suit under the Executive Law is certainly legally sound, the issue here is the political nature and not the legalities of the suit.
Trump's attorneys are playing the front end of all these cases very hard which is clearly a strategy. The attorneys are eating fines and stoking the fires of ire in the trial judges. They know what they are doing and they know the consequences of what they are doing but they have a long-term plan that may well be sound in this particular case but would likely be poor in the vast majority of similar proceedings.
ETA I should point out that there are some issues with ignorance of falsity and reliance but I don't know NY's fraud statutes well enough to navigate them without research.
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2. When it comes to property taxes or bank loans it doesn’t matter what Trump says or thinks it’s worth. An appraiser or assessor will determine the property value
So how is there fraud?
This is a point I have seen over and over again here. One has to understand that fraud (though there are some legal defenses) occurs the moment the loan documents are delivered to an agent of the lending institution. If you misrepresent your income/employment/assets on a loan application you have committed fraud (subject to defenses). If the lender finds the "errors" and still issues the loan based on the correct facts you have still committed fraud.
The fact the loans were paid back in full and on time does not matter in this case, further, it makes no difference that as a result of the former the banks did not suffer any damages, this is because it isn't the banks that are bringing the suit. This is a suit filed by the NY OAG in the name of the People of NY. In common law, this is called a Parens Patriae action. The public policy behind this is the people have a right to a fair marketplace.
The codified basis for the suit is NY's Executive Law.
Again I reiterate this is clearly politically motivated. That being said the company almost certainly committed fraud but the directly aggrieved parties appear to not be damaged and were/are free to modify their approach and dealings with the company. That being said if the OAG can show the pattern of fraud bringing a suit under the Executive Law is certainly legally sound, the issue here is the political nature and not the legalities of the suit.
Trump's attorneys are playing the front end of all these cases very hard which is clearly a strategy. The attorneys are eating fines and stoking the fires of ire in the trial judges. They know what they are doing and they know the consequences of what they are doing but they have a long-term plan that may well be sound in this particular case but would likely be poor in the vast majority of similar proceedings.
ETA I should point out that there are some issues with ignorance of falsity and reliance but I don't know NY's fraud statutes well enough to navigate them without research.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:29 pm to deltaland
Witch
Hunt
Hunt
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:08 pm to deltaland
quote:
Someone explain the Trump fraud case to me?
More BS to hurt Trump, his polling will probably go up another 5-10 points. No one is buying this BS except those with TDS and Dumbocrats.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:53 pm to deltaland
Democrats are afraid of trump as are GOPe
Deep state gonna deep state
Deep state gonna deep state
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:36 pm to deltaland
The judge thinks Mar-A-Lago is worth $10M. A well known Miami realtor says he would list it for $300M.
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