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BBC: 15,000 ukranians have lost a limb since the start of the year...is this winning
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:04 pm
Thats more limbs lost than UK in the entirety of WW2.
This make you proud, keep laundering the money so they can continue to drag this nonsense out.
This make you proud, keep laundering the money so they can continue to drag this nonsense out.
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:06 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:What about WW1?
Thats more limbs lost than UK in the entirety of WW2.
This war strikes me as being more like 1 than 2. Less mobile.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:15 pm to trinidadtiger
UK's leader is just fine with his country losing limbs and lives as long as he get's this Ponsey Scheme pushed through. What the left does not see is that Zelensky is causing death to people living there. You could end this war very soon with the right person in charge.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:18 pm to trinidadtiger
This war is about NATO and Russia not want to look weak to each other and get bragging rights as men are dying
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:27 pm to trinidadtiger
I'd say it's a shame that so many (mostly) men's lives are ruined for money laundering and power theater, but "shame" makes it sound accidental and reversible. It's demonic on steroids. Everyone consciously culpable deserves eternal Hell.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:29 pm to trinidadtiger
How many Russians lost a limb, Mr. Pro Russia.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:31 pm to trinidadtiger
quote:Of course not.
BBC: 15,000 ukranians have lost a limb since the start of the year...is this winning
But as the UK and US have always deemed Ukraine a critically important money laundering operation, "winning" is far, far, far, far less important than continuing business as usual.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:37 pm to Gaspergou202
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How many Russians lost a limb, Mr. Pro Russia.
Its not about Russia shat for brains, its about the needless ruin of people's lives, on all sides, for greed.
And thats all sides, because you see, as we protect their border and allow ours to be wide open 108,000 people last year died from drugs. But hey, lets all talk about sovereignty ....in ukraine.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:57 pm to trinidadtiger
How many Ukranian limbs will this Administration sacrifice to keep approval ratings from slipping below 40?
Cause that is what is happening. We cut off the spigot and they sue for peace.
Cause that is what is happening. We cut off the spigot and they sue for peace.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:30 pm to trinidadtiger
You are assuming the crooked politicians and cronies care about people other than money out of them
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:56 pm to trinidadtiger
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Thats more limbs lost than UK in the entirety of WW2.
I'm not buying that. The UK had too many territories that were actual war zones for that to be true. Britain proper.. maybe but doubtful. The Blitz alone had 43,000 deaths. You've got to figure there were a lot of maimed people from that alone. Plus the UK also had to deal with getting its arse kicked in Africa & Southeast Asia all the way into India for awhile.
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The Blitz was devastating for the people of London and other cities. In the eight months of attacks, some 43,000 civilians were killed. This amounted to nearly half of Britain’s total civilian deaths for the whole war. One of every six Londoners was made homeless at some point during the Blitz, and at least 1.1 million houses and flats were damaged or destroyed.
Encyclopedia Brittanica
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:29 pm to trinidadtiger
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ts not about Russia shat for brains, its about the needless ruin of people's lives
Yep.
And that started the minute the Russians invaded their long suffering peaceful neighbors.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:49 pm to Wildcat1996
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Cause that is what is happening. We cut off the spigot and they sue for peace.
You would recommend that they surrender because there is no way to declare peace except by surrendering.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:57 pm to NCIS_76
That's what pisses me off about upper echelon motivated wars. They are willing to sacrifice their own countrymen...for their own personal ego and profit.
Putin is sacrificing his soldiers and regular volunteers. Zelensky is sacrificing his peasant class and soldiers.
What irks me is the fact that as soon as the war gets too close to zelensky and the upper echelons of the Ukrainian government, zelensky will wave the white flag. Because they view themselves as more important than the people they demanded fight and die.
Putin is sacrificing his soldiers and regular volunteers. Zelensky is sacrificing his peasant class and soldiers.
What irks me is the fact that as soon as the war gets too close to zelensky and the upper echelons of the Ukrainian government, zelensky will wave the white flag. Because they view themselves as more important than the people they demanded fight and die.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:07 am to doubleb
They are going to have to give-up something. They cosied-up with the west and moved to join NATO.
Putin may be a ba$tard, but he was very clear that he would not tolerate NATO on a major border. And before you make the terrible argument about Poland, the sliver of dirt surrounding Kaliningrad doesn't count. An invading army would have to cross Lithuania and Belarus to reach anything of consequence in Russia...and historically it is more German than Russian.
So Putin invaded and now controls most of Ukraine along the Black Sea to the Crimea. That may have punished Ukraine, but came at the cost of Finland joining NATO. So in the end, Putin still has a major border with a NATO country.
The important question is how we all walk away from this standoff without it turning into a complete bar fight.
Putin isn't going to simply send his army home and return everything to Ukraine.
Ukraine lacks the ability to take back it's territory by force. I hope no one inside the beltway thinks we or NATO need to do it for them.
So it is time to negotiate. Ukraine will have to give-up something so that Putin can walk away with some kind of "win". Putin will have to cede some gained territory so that Western politicians can say they "stood-up to Russia".
The US position is critical because the rest of NATO won't do anything without our blessing. Our administration is facing an election in a little over a year and is far more concerned about winning than a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian serfs. Putin has been a boogeyman for the Democrats since the waning days of Hillary's failed run at POTUS. Democrats are perfectly happy sending borrowed money and aging military hardware to an army with no chance of success in exchange for headlines from a friendly press about standing-up to tyranny.
So I'll ask it again, how many Ukranian limbs is this administration willing to sacrifice to keep its polling numbers above 40?
That's all I got.
Putin may be a ba$tard, but he was very clear that he would not tolerate NATO on a major border. And before you make the terrible argument about Poland, the sliver of dirt surrounding Kaliningrad doesn't count. An invading army would have to cross Lithuania and Belarus to reach anything of consequence in Russia...and historically it is more German than Russian.
So Putin invaded and now controls most of Ukraine along the Black Sea to the Crimea. That may have punished Ukraine, but came at the cost of Finland joining NATO. So in the end, Putin still has a major border with a NATO country.
The important question is how we all walk away from this standoff without it turning into a complete bar fight.
Putin isn't going to simply send his army home and return everything to Ukraine.
Ukraine lacks the ability to take back it's territory by force. I hope no one inside the beltway thinks we or NATO need to do it for them.
So it is time to negotiate. Ukraine will have to give-up something so that Putin can walk away with some kind of "win". Putin will have to cede some gained territory so that Western politicians can say they "stood-up to Russia".
The US position is critical because the rest of NATO won't do anything without our blessing. Our administration is facing an election in a little over a year and is far more concerned about winning than a couple hundred thousand Ukrainian serfs. Putin has been a boogeyman for the Democrats since the waning days of Hillary's failed run at POTUS. Democrats are perfectly happy sending borrowed money and aging military hardware to an army with no chance of success in exchange for headlines from a friendly press about standing-up to tyranny.
So I'll ask it again, how many Ukranian limbs is this administration willing to sacrifice to keep its polling numbers above 40?
That's all I got.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:24 am to trinidadtiger
...is this winning.
I'd call it .....losing a limb
I'd call it .....losing a limb
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:25 am to trinidadtiger
15k Ukrainians lost limbs … how many of them were civilians?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:33 am to RuLSU
Probably most...and they were likely engaged in the fighting.
Western outlets are romanticizing the civilian forces as militias fighting for the homeland while simultaneously accusing the Russians of targeting civilians. They can't really have it both ways.
Western outlets are romanticizing the civilian forces as militias fighting for the homeland while simultaneously accusing the Russians of targeting civilians. They can't really have it both ways.
Posted on 9/23/23 at 11:24 am to trinidadtiger
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Thats more limbs lost than UK in the entirety of WW2.
You guys will believe anything.... the UK had 450,000 KIA alone (including civilians). The WIA would likely be 1.5 million+. You think that 1% or less lost a limb?
Posted on 9/23/23 at 11:39 am to Buryl
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You guys will believe anything.... the UK had 450,000 KIA alone (including civilians). The WIA would likely be 1.5 million+. You think that 1% or less lost a limb?
The British didn't really face an entrenched opponent in WW2. The reason most guys lose a limb is due to mines and artillery. In WW1 however 41,000 British men lost a limb.
Here's the article OP was referring to but apparently to dumb to link: LINK
OPs assertations about winning vs limbs lost though is just dumb though, but idiots on here eat that shite up.
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