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re: Abraham Lincoln radically changed the nature of the Civil War on this day 161 years ago
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:49 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:49 am to RollTide1987
Folks aren't downvoting your points.
They're downvoting you for being a virtue-signalling vagina.
They're downvoting you for being a virtue-signalling vagina.
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:50 am to Screamin Jay
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Whitey sure did multiply quick if those figures are to be believed
So you're suggesting the 1860 census was a fabrication? It's pretty damn thorough
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:51 am to GetCocky11
quote:No, because you are clueless.
You know how you can get a loan to a buy a car in 2023? Now translate that to the 1850s.
Did I just rock your world?
No one "loaned" you money on a slave like a car loan.
Unless you were a plantation owner or some other business that needed a lot of labor, a slave was an absolute luxury.
People made maybe $15 a month. In the early 1800s a slave was easily $1000.
Matter of fact, Martha was $1200 and Bob cost $990.
This I know for fact. I have held the records of the transaction.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:52 am to Screamin Jay
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if those figures are to be believed
Read literally any primary source about life in the antebellum south, and you'll see the 1860 Census records line up with what was written about life back then.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:53 am to Screamin Jay
I believe free blacks were 8 times more likely to own black slaves than whites
#whiteshower
#whiteshower
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:53 am to RIPMachoMan
quote:I'm just wondering how the White population exploded into a super majority.
So you're suggesting the 1860 census was a fabrication? It's pretty damn thorough
By your records we should be 50/50 or 60/40.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:56 am to Screamin Jay
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Whitey sure did multiply quick if those figures are to be believed, and the black reproduction numbers would have had to stall to reach the percentages of today.
i wonder why there would be less migration of black people to the US after the Civil War
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:57 am to Screamin Jay
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No one "loaned" you money on a slave like a car loan
Slaves were property and banks most definitely treated them as such.
Slaves were mortgaged, slaves were considered collateral, money was loaned to purchase more slaves.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 11:57 am to GetCocky11
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Read literally any primary source about life in the antebellum south, and you'll see the 1860 Census records line up with what was written about life back then.
How about actual slave transactions from courthouse records? Do those count.
You didn't know that did you? A lot of courthouses still have those transactions on file. Most are on microfilm or have been digitized. Many have been lost or destroyed over the years.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:00 pm to SouthernHog
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He didn’t free the slaves in the North.
Not in 1863, no. The Emancipation Proclamation specifically excluded the border slave states; it only referred to slaves in Confederate controlled areas, namely the 10 states of the Confederacy. It made all the political sense in the world to not stick it to the Northern slave states during war time (DC is sandwiched by Maryland and Virginia). It's not much of slight on Lincoln for his approach to matter.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:00 pm to Screamin Jay
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How about actual slave transactions from courthouse records? Do those count.
Cool, you go to the several courthouses and aggregate all that data and get back to us with what you find.
It isn't like a US government agency didn't go around the country every 10 years recording information about each household including status, race, age, etc.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:01 pm to GetCocky11
quote:You had to have money to own slaves.
Slaves were property and banks most definitely treated them as such.
Slaves were mortgaged, slaves were considered collateral, money was loaned to purchase more slaves.
The South was poverty stricken. Still is.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:03 pm to GetCocky11
quote:Cool, you keep spreading and believing your bullshite.
Cool, you go to the several courthouses and aggregate all that data and get back to us with what you find.
You are probably ready to pony up reparations, eithet that or you think you have reparations coming your way.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:05 pm to RollTide1987
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Five days later, 161 years ago today, Lincoln transformed the American Civil War from a fight to preserve the Union into a fight to free four million Americans from the captivity of perpetual slavery.
Did he though? Sounds to me like he tried to use the issue of slavery as leverage over the states that left the union. In other words, if you don’t rejoin the union we’ll just free your slaves instead. It’s old school civil asset forfeiture at its core… imo slavery was an enterprise on its very last legs anyway. The forthcoming Industrial Revolution would have rendered the practice obsolete within 20 years. All the war did was leave hundreds of thousands dead, and a nation permanently divided.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:06 pm to Screamin Jay
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Cool, you keep spreading and believing your bullshite.
Best of luck to you.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:09 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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imo slavery was an enterprise on its very last legs anyway. The forthcoming Industrial Revolution would have rendered the practice obsolete within 20 years.
yet the south felt the need to leave the union and go to war over the practice.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:12 pm to RollTide1987
The obsession with a bunch of loser traitors is truly something else
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:14 pm to Dire Wolf
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yet the south felt the need to leave the union and go to war over the practice.
Slavery may well have been on the way out, but the transition to mechanical agriculture was not ready yet, hence one of the reasons the South wanted to maintain slavery. Their entire economy was built on it. It was a long time after the end of the civil war that mechanical agriculture became the norm in the South. Sharecropping became the primary means of cultivating crops.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:17 pm to DakIsNoLB
You act like the South was going to be willing to give slavery up. Either way you slice it the South rebelled and left the Union to keep people in chains. The attempt to white wash it or confront it with whataboutism is truly astonishing
Posted on 9/22/23 at 12:21 pm to dawgfan24348
Tractors are more efficient than slaves.
It was a natural progression that you really can’t put a time line on but capitalism was making slaves obsolete without so many Americans being killed.
It was a natural progression that you really can’t put a time line on but capitalism was making slaves obsolete without so many Americans being killed.
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