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Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:37 pm to BabyTac
I'm salary and haven't worked close to 40hrs in the last 5 years. If I was hourly I would make ~45K less/year.
So I'm good with salary.
So I'm good with salary.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:38 pm to BabyTac
Hourly employees are not playing in the gold tournaments or competing in the crawfish boils
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:39 pm to JDPndahizzy
I started my career, fresh out of college, using my Master's degree as the basis for my position as a mix chemist in a drug plant.
We were in the drug mixing suite one morning hard at work in NASA Assembly clean room garb, with hoods, masks, gloves, boots the works and the plant manager (Top Dog) walks in, fully suited up. He walked over to one of the material handler guys and said, "I just wanted to meet the hourly material handling employee who makes more per year than I do as the highest salaried employee in this plant."
Turns out, the guy was working an ungodly number of OT hours a week, willing to do whatever anyone wanted him to do to cover for anyone who was out sick or vacation, and any extended hours we had to be in the lab for extended batch jobs, or emergency work.
We were in the drug mixing suite one morning hard at work in NASA Assembly clean room garb, with hoods, masks, gloves, boots the works and the plant manager (Top Dog) walks in, fully suited up. He walked over to one of the material handler guys and said, "I just wanted to meet the hourly material handling employee who makes more per year than I do as the highest salaried employee in this plant."
Turns out, the guy was working an ungodly number of OT hours a week, willing to do whatever anyone wanted him to do to cover for anyone who was out sick or vacation, and any extended hours we had to be in the lab for extended batch jobs, or emergency work.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:39 pm to BabyTac
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I understand unions were once a thing, but how did we get to such a divide at most industrial companies where white collar employees are salary and blue collar hourly?
Why should one get paid for every second he’s there, while the other just accepts a salary and works however many hours it takes including nights and weekends? Why is this still a thing?
In my experience, both work equally as hard and most of the time share duties when it comes to projects with the salary guy actually putting in more time before/after the hourly guys cut out.
And then there’s time and a half, double time options while the white collar grunt just is out there for free.
i mean if you are salary and you are having to work tons of extra OT to get the job done, leave.
sorry im not working more than 45 hours anymore unless its a rare occasion. did that when younger and now in my 40s i have no desire. if they want me to work more than that, need to pay me more.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:41 pm to BabyTac
Salary + hourly when having to do anything beyond managerial/administrative duties. 
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:41 pm to BabyTac
The bank I worked for switched my job from salary to hourly, and I fricking hated it.
It was an Obama era rule that was supposed to protect workers like me from being taken advantage of.
I tried to get them to change my job title to something else so I could go back to salary, but they wouldn't do it.
So anytime they wanted to meet with me after work hours, or tried to discuss work issues during my lunch, my statement was always "just realize that I will stay clocked in during this meeting, so you can either pay me overtime or allow me to leave early one day this week." Surprisingly, they would always cancel that meeting.
It was an Obama era rule that was supposed to protect workers like me from being taken advantage of.
I tried to get them to change my job title to something else so I could go back to salary, but they wouldn't do it.
So anytime they wanted to meet with me after work hours, or tried to discuss work issues during my lunch, my statement was always "just realize that I will stay clocked in during this meeting, so you can either pay me overtime or allow me to leave early one day this week." Surprisingly, they would always cancel that meeting.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:41 pm to MorbidTheClown
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in the engineering world, everyone seems to be hourly.
depends on the side of the fence you are on. if you work for a plant/oil company....most of the time you will be salary.
at firms...usually hourly
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:42 pm to BabyTac
Take your slippers off your feet, your feet off the desk, put on a hard hat and go do some manual labor.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:43 pm to lsu777
Much of it has to do with benefits. If someone is regularly scheduled to work 30 hours or more per week, you have to offer them benefits or get them to waive benefits. On the flip side, you can have someone being paid a salary but not in a full time role. We have several people that work half time but are paid salary and enrolled in benefits. We are willing to pay them a salary and foot the bill for their insurance because they are worth more.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:43 pm to BabyTac
If you are a business owner or in management, you should really familiarize yourself with the FLSA before you get into hot water
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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FWIW OP is the same guy who said PTO shouldn’t exist. That companies should just pay their people more money.
also says he's independently wealthy and pays cash for everything. should only have minimum liability limits for insurance, shouldn't take out a mortgage, the list goes on and on.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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FWIW OP is the same guy who said PTO shouldn’t exist. That companies should just pay their people more money.
also same guy that said no matter the interest rate...you should never take a loan no matter what. either pay cash or you cant afford it...that includes vehicle and home
remember no matter the interest rate and no matter the inflation rate....never take out a loan---signed BABYTAC!!
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:45 pm to TU Rob
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Much of it has to do with benefits. If someone is regularly scheduled to work 30 hours or more per week, you have to offer them benefits or get them to waive benefits. On the flip side, you can have someone being paid a salary but not in a full time role. We have several people that work half time but are paid salary and enrolled in benefits. We are willing to pay them a salary and foot the bill for their insurance because they are worth more.
correct. i believe as mentioned there was an obama era rule that came out to try and reduce companies from classifying many as salary to avoid paying OT. was one of the few things he did well
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:46 pm to BabyTac
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And then there’s time and a half, double time options while the white collar grunt just is out there for free.
The employers don't want you to know this, but many salaried employees are owed time and a half overtime as well.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:46 pm to DCtiger1
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also says he's independently wealthy and pays cash for everything. should only have minimum liability limits for insurance, shouldn't take out a mortgage, the list goes on and on
also remember he said no loans no matter the interest rate and no matter the inflation.
so if inflation is 5% and you get loan for 1.9%....still dumb decision according to the OP
:rotflmao: how fricking financially illiterate can you be?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:52 pm to lsu777
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also remember he said no loans no matter the interest rate and no matter the inflation. so if inflation is 5% and you get loan for 1.9%....still dumb decision according to the OP
Off topic, but how many idiots use this logic to support a loan then never invest the money they would’ve paid cash much less get a bigger return????
Also, when paying cash, you’re much more likely to pay attention to all the extra features you don’t want, need, or shouldn’t have vs just saying it’s just an extra such and such per month. Cash wins every time!
Also, with cash, you only have to pay the minimal liability insurance not full coverage that is a complete waste unless you drive like an idiot.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:52 pm to BabyTac
I can work less hours and still get paid in full. Which is way better on quality of life.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:54 pm to BabyTac
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Off topic, but how many idiots use this logic to support a loan then never invest the money they would’ve paid cash much less get a bigger return????
dont have to invest the money for it to still be a good decision. this is exactly the type of dumb shite we are talking about
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Also, when paying cash, you’re much more likely to pay attention to all the extra features you don’t want, need, or shouldn’t have vs just saying it’s just an extra such and such per month. Cash wins every time!
ok dave ramsey...enjoy the 22 year old honda civic and your 1300 sf ranch house built in the 1960s.
you seriously dont even see how dumb you sound do you??
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:54 pm to BabyTac
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