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First test results back on trt
Posted on 8/23/23 at 9:07 am
Posted on 8/23/23 at 9:07 am
DHEA 465
ESTRIADOL 47
PSA .08
WBC 5.8
RBC 5.58
HEMOGLOBIN 17.1
HEMATOCRIT 53.5 (Already naturally high, now higher, going do a blood dump monday)
MCV 96
MCH 30.6
MCHC 32
RDW 13.2
PLATELETS 337
TEST 617
FREE 16.5
Was doing .4ml twice weekly and Anastrozole once a week. 15mg dhea daily.
Cutting dhea back to every other day, one additional Anastrozole, and bumping dose to .5ml twice weekly.
Mainly eat meat, eggs, beans, citrus, berries, veg, white rice and a protein shake every morning. One exception being corn tortillas. Have them a few times a week.
Weight has been stagnant lately.
ESTRIADOL 47
PSA .08
WBC 5.8
RBC 5.58
HEMOGLOBIN 17.1
HEMATOCRIT 53.5 (Already naturally high, now higher, going do a blood dump monday)
MCV 96
MCH 30.6
MCHC 32
RDW 13.2
PLATELETS 337
TEST 617
FREE 16.5
Was doing .4ml twice weekly and Anastrozole once a week. 15mg dhea daily.
Cutting dhea back to every other day, one additional Anastrozole, and bumping dose to .5ml twice weekly.
Mainly eat meat, eggs, beans, citrus, berries, veg, white rice and a protein shake every morning. One exception being corn tortillas. Have them a few times a week.
Weight has been stagnant lately.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 9:30 am to X123F45
stop the anastrozole
yall need to stop letting dumbass doctors put yall on an AI unless you get big time symptoms
keep the dhea at your current dose
add boron to up free test. 9mg/day
yall need to stop letting dumbass doctors put yall on an AI unless you get big time symptoms
keep the dhea at your current dose
add boron to up free test. 9mg/day
Posted on 8/23/23 at 9:39 am to lsu777
...where are you finding 9 mg
Posted on 8/23/23 at 9:48 am to X123F45
just get the 3mg and take 3. 2 in morning, 1 at night.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 9:49 am to lsu777
quote:
unless you get big time symptoms
Bloating is annoying.
And facial acne for the first time in 20 years is also annoying.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 9:55 am to lsu777
I second with 777 says. Your estrogen will rise as your testosterone rises. It should find a balance but some guys aromatize a lot and then need the AI. And it may only be for a short period. Tanking your estrogen and having your testosterone elevated will make you feel worse than before starting on anything.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:13 am to lsu777
quote:
stop the anastrozole
agree, and I'd also suggest pinning more frequently than once/week to flatten the curve and keep the estrogen conversion down - but don't change both at the same time or you'll never know which one made a difference
personally I've never been on an AI and pin EOD my doc is happy with my numbers as I am with the results
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 10:19 am
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:15 am to lsu777
quote:
yall need to stop letting dumbass doctors put yall on an AI unless you get big time symptoms
But but he's a Dr he knows best. Can't tell you how many guys listen to the Dr, feel worse and refuse to listen to what you tell them from years of experience.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:22 am to tke_swamprat
I feel obligated to mention BF at 30% as per doctor.
Body fat likely less than that as I sink like a stone.
Doing hyrdostatic testing in a month... So that should be fun.
Body fat likely less than that as I sink like a stone.
Doing hyrdostatic testing in a month... So that should be fun.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:32 am to Don Quixote
quote:
pinning more frequently than once/week
Twice a week is what I do?
quote:
pin EOD
I did that for a week. I can't explain why given it shouldn't matter, but I was hard as a damned rock both nights. Sex didn't alleviate it nor did a couple manual cranks.
No thank you.
My concern for the estrogen is an oddly decreased libido. 6 weeks in and it was like being 15. 12 weeks in and I feel like my pre supplemented self. Twice a week sex. Maybe two or three just to get rid of the hardon when the wife's at work.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:41 am to X123F45
oh sorry, I missed that it was twice/week - coffee hadn't crossed the blood/brain barrier yet
You probably know it takes ~6-8 weeks for any change in protocol to stabilize
You probably know it takes ~6-8 weeks for any change in protocol to stabilize
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 10:44 am
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:49 am to lsu777
quote:
stop the anastrozole
yall need to stop letting dumbass doctors put yall on an AI unless you get big time symptoms
what symptoms would i be looking for if i stop taking the anastrozole?
Posted on 8/23/23 at 10:52 am to X123F45
quote:
Bloating is annoying.
And facial acne for the first time in 20 years is also annoying.
you are not bloating from normal range test
the facial acne and the bloating is due to large swings in levels. has nothing to do with estrogen.
do as you please but just going to cause you more sides in the long run.
quote:
I did that for a week. I can't explain why given it shouldn't matter, but I was hard as a damned rock both nights. Sex didn't alleviate it nor did a couple manual cranks.
that has to do with you just getting your levels up.
once stabilized it doesn't matter based off half life.
at 12 weeks in you should be stable if doign 2x per week and shouldnt have any issues. your free is a little on the low side but the boron will help with that
and have you tried subq injections 2x per week? better results, less sides and more stable levels.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 11:02 am to X123F45
quote:
TEST 617
FREE 16.5
Are you trying to get to the top of the normal range or staying there?
Posted on 8/23/23 at 11:10 am to lsu777
quote:
and have you tried subq injections 2x per week? better results, less sides and more stable levels
I do 2x per week sub q. And I wasn't arguing with you, just explaining what side effects I am seeing.
Haven't had acne since 2004. I track all calories/salt/water I consume. I weigh everything. I had 5% body weight fluctuation a few weeks in, and then shed it in the following week. I assume water weight as that would be one big deuce
quote:
are you staying there?
As stated in OP, bumping dose by .1ml
@777 I have no commitment to the Anastrozole one way or the other. Was just concerned about the higher than normal estrogen.
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/23/23 at 11:17 am to X123F45
quote:
I had 5% body weight fluctuation a few weeks in, and then shed it in the following week. I assume water weight as that would be one big deuce
I had some edema in my feet/ankles when I first started TRT similar to your 5%. It hung around a few weeks and then shed it all within a day or so never to return.
This post was edited on 8/23/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/23/23 at 11:40 am to X123F45
quote:
I do 2x per week sub q
awesome
quote:
And I wasn't arguing with you, just explaining what side effects I am seeing.
Haven't had acne since 2004. I track all calories/salt/water I consume. I weigh everything. I had 5% body weight fluctuation a few weeks in, and then shed it in the following week. I assume water weight as that would be one big deuce
yea all good, its pretty common first 8 weeks or so to have the extra water until levels stablize. i assume you shed the water by now, especially with an AI
quote:
@777 I have no commitment to the Anastrozole one way or the other. Was just concerned about the higher than normal estrogen.
well with your bodyfat levels may need to stay on it a little longer just to make sure you dont get a rebound effect. if you are not hurting in the joints, errections not an issue(doesnt seem to be) , muscle fatigue...should be fine.
as you lose the bodyfat, and get below 20%, slowly start lowering that dose.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 11:41 am to lsu777
What’s the harm in anastrozole if it’s needed to keep estrogen in check?
Posted on 8/23/23 at 11:49 am to txpurpleandgold
Easy to crash your E, especially if you don't need it. You don't need it just because you are on TRT, you need if you have issues with high E. Most docs just want you to take it from the beginning no matter what.
Posted on 8/23/23 at 11:50 am to txpurpleandgold
quote:
keep estrogen in check
you dont need to for most people. unless you are prone to gyno and are overweight...estro stabilizes and symptoms subside within a couple weeks, especially once test levels are stable through 2x per week shots. so unless you are hyper responder, not needed
quote:
harm in anastrozole
joints hurt like shite, errections suffer, muscles hurt
anastrozole is really potent AI and can crush estrogen which has as many or more sides than Low T.
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