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re: 2020 election fraud question

Posted on 8/19/23 at 12:13 am to
Posted by westerntigerfan
Member since Oct 2012
918 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 12:13 am to
First of all, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

But for me when I looked at where the extra votes came from voter fraud made less and less sense.

First of all the 3 states that had the biggest voter increases were Hawaii, Utah, and Vermont. Why would those states cheat?

Secondly, when you look at the map of where Biden gained votes you see that it was mostly in the suburbs. Why and how could they cheat in the suburbs?

Thirdly, all the polls, even ones that are historically favorable to Republicans, had Biden up by 5 to 10 points. I don't put a lot of trust in polls, but they would have to be in on the steal to be that far off.

And finally when you make it easier to vote, then lazy people, i.e. liberals especially younger ones, will turn out in higher numbers.

I don't blithely believe anyone. I do my own research.
This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 12:28 am
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 12:25 am to
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I don't blithely believe anyone. I do my own research.
tell me why they stopped the count in six swing states, kicked out all observers and counted in secret in the middle of the night until the flipped the results at 4 am in the morning
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
10401 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 2:55 am to
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And finally when you make it easier to vote, then lazy people, i.e. liberals especially younger ones, will turn out in higher numbers.

And this is where the fraud was at. What you are failing to explain is that the states legisture is supposed to be used as a way to change voting laws. In 2016 voting laws were changed in key states to allow mail in voting and other means of voting without using the states legislative branch to change laws. The SOS of these states changed them using executive power that it doesn’t have. That is a fraudulent election when it’s all said and done.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5288 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 5:09 am to
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And finally when you make it easier to vote, then lazy people, i.e. liberals especially younger ones, will turn out in higher numbers.



And you also make it easier for voter intimidation and other people filling out the ballot for the intended voter, either knowingly or unknowingly to the intended voter.

How hard is it for the democrats to contact every majority black church in the country? Pastor goes door to door, asks have you filled out your ballot for Biden yet? No? Well lets sit down and fill it out and I'll drop it off for you, or give it to me and I'll take care of it for you. Church gets a nice donation.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125457 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 5:23 am to
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But for me when I looked at where the extra votes came from voter fraud made less and less sense.
Perhaps you missed the question?

"Why do you believe biden got 81 million votes? Can you produce the evidence or do you just blithely believe the government?"
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
44052 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:03 am to
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First of all, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

This is the saddest thing I see every day - the biggest fallacy wrt what is happening I've ever seen.

What happens when someone calls 911?? - does the operator say "Prove it" or do they send someone out to look into the situation??

conservatives have been calling the equivalent of 911 for three years. And what have they gotten?? - they are ridiculed for being a 'denier' - they are smugly made fun of at the gatherings of their enemies - they are put on TRIAL themselves with myriads of COMPLAINTs - and are sent to JAIL if they do not meekly fall in line with the mouth-breathers.

What did DEMs 'prove' before they launched the RUSSIA RUSSIA hoax for 6 years??
What did DEMs 'prove' before they launched two IMPEACHMENT trials??
What did DEMs 'prove' before they attacked Kavanaugh??
What did DEMs 'prove' before they started the RACE RIOTs with Brown, Floyd, et al
etc etc etc
:yack:

DIMs have never PROVED ANYTHING - in FACT they have not only been PROVEN WRONG, but have been PROVEN to have engaged in CRIMINAL ACTs in just making the ALLEGATIONs - yet they still smugly pat themselves on the back because they know the FIX IS IN!!! - THEY can do whatever the hell they WANT and conservatives have to put up with it or risk being put in JAIL.

Yet they can STILL summon the whole nation to come to a halt at the mere POSSIBILITY that one of them may get their "feelings hurt."

The biggest cowards - they most pathetic excuses for human-kind ever evolved - totally irresponsible and cowardly.

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First of all, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

/\ the biggest piece of nonsense gaslighting ever uttered /\ yet any DEMOCRAT can mouth the words in their sleep - and most of them do.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3122 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:23 am to
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First of all, the burden of proof is on the accuser.


B***S***
Accessing/obtaining any and all election related evidence should never be a burden on a U.S. citizen. The burden to follow procedural, legal, and constitutional (US & state) requirements is on the accused. The burden to preserve & produce evidence supporting those actions is also on the accused.
Instead, laws were changed and/or broken, & required evidence was never presented, was destroyed, or never even existed. The vast majority of which belongs to the public by individuals & entities that are employed to serve the public.
Any cooperation was not devoid of delay and/or resistance.


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But for me when I looked at where the extra votes came from voter fraud made less and less sense.


Why?


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First of all the 3 states that had the biggest voter increases were Hawaii, Utah, and Vermont. Why would those states cheat?


They wouldn't. How does a voter increase in 3 states who represent 13 electoral votes total lead you to even ask that question?


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Secondly, when you look at the map of where Biden gained votes you see that it was mostly in the suburbs. Why and how could they cheat in the suburbs?


You're assuming those "gained votes" are legitimate out of hand.
Why? To win.
How? By manufacturing ballots/voters/votes via manipulation/exploitation of voter rolls, absentee voting, & machines/tabulators.


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Thirdly, all the polls, even ones that are historically favorable to Republicans, had Biden up by 5 to 10 points. I don't put a lot of trust in polls, but they would have to be in on the steal to be that far off.


What did those polls tell you in 2016? Does driving a biased narrative to manipulate public opinion mean they're "in on the steal"? To think there are none would be rather naive, as would be any anticipation of them admitting it.


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And finally when you make it easier to vote, then lazy people, i.e. liberals especially younger ones, will turn out in higher numbers.


Pretty weak, and inconclusive.


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I don't blithely believe anyone. I do my own research.


Do more. Those are probably the worst arguments I've seen to date.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
11740 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:38 am to
The tell tale on this election grift was the bellwether counties. Trump won all but one. Winner of previous elections always won out those. The 2-3 am dump changed all Trumps numbers from up to down with reports showing 100% turnouts for Biden. I’ll never believe it wasn’t rigged
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
5652 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 6:58 am to
Oh, you sound soooooo smart. How can TD rubes keep up with you?
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
11637 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:05 am to
Does your research prove Joe Biden was half as popular as Cankles or Barry? I mean he only got, at the most, 20 people to attend his campaign rallies.

If you can prove he was at least half as popular as the two clownsmentioned above, I will be quiet and believe Joe Biden got 30% more votes than either of them ever got in any election!!
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 7:26 am to
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First of all, the burden of proof is on the accuser.

The burden of fair and honest elections is on all Americans; that one side is averse to that creates an untenable position. A position that mandates investigation and resolved remedy.
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First of all the 3 states that had the biggest voter increases were Hawaii, Utah, and Vermont. Why would those states cheat?
When a party becomes committed to stealing elections, it doesn't turn on like a light switch. They prepare and build that over time, over past elections.

All of the cheating regions are planned and worked on in advance.

Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, Minnesota, Nevada, Michigan and others were already planned. They are working on taking iron rule for their oppression everywhere now. If you can't see this, you are a victim with no chance of survival; and no future for your future, and your future generations.

We know that to be a fact looking at the Ruby Freeman admission, the actions of Brian Kemp, Raffensburger... others in all of those states. Georgia was planned in advance. FACT. Jocelyn Benson and other unsavory criminals have been planning election theft and are still working on election theft...

So what if those three states showed evidence of the same kind of election fraud. Criminals are likely working on them and others now.

Remember how they talked about it. "Georgia is turning blue" "Colorado is turning blue" "Texas is turning blue" "Arizona is turning blue", etc. This narrative, this extensive psy op includes many facets of cheating - and you can not deny the network of media/corporate fascism, and weaponized government, the hijacking of economic statistics they have take over by their lies and manipulation.. Election interference by such actors is through the roof. It is everywhere.

There is ongoing cheating going on by these actors. They want to further install their oppression and the further theft of our representation; and our freedom. Every American, your ancestors, would see the attacks on America.

Your "research" is weak, as is your attitude.

This post was edited on 8/19/23 at 7:30 am
Posted by TheQuestion
Member since May 2023
202 posts
Posted on 8/19/23 at 9:58 am to
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the burden of proof is on the accuser
This is a rhetorical cop out. Elections work by counting votes. It is claimed that Biden got more votes. I'm asking for people who believe that to show proof he got more votes. Can ANYONE prove that Biden got 81 mil votes. Again, Trump's votes have never been in question, because they were mostly cast in person, unless you believe all those maga hats on tv across the country were Biden plants. Why do you believe the government telling you Biden won when they obfuscated election fraud investigation? "Trump lost. Get over it." Ok, prove it. show me the Biden votes. If you can't, you're just shilling for the corrupt government.

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Why would those states cheat?
That has absolutely nothing to do with voter fraud in the main swing states where election fraud has been absolutely proven.

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Why and how could they cheat in the suburbs?
You mean other than all the evidence that has been presented over and over? Drop boxes, repeat scanning, bloated voter rolls, ballot harvesting, machine tampering, no chain of custody, no signature matching, fake building malfunctions, etc.

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all the polls
You can't be serious. Polls?

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when you make it easier to vote, then lazy people, i.e. liberals especially younger ones, will turn out in higher numbers
Ok, prove it. Show me the votes. Post a link that has an archive of all 81 mil votes. If you can't show that, you are naively believing what already-proven corrupt bureaucrats are selling you.

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don't blithely believe anyone. I do my own research.
You stated you believed the polls as evidence. That's insane. And you haven't produced even a single vote for Biden. You are naive
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