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re: What in the actual frick - 4 day school weeks
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:44 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:44 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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t’s not the teachers that suck, it’s the administrators.
i don't disagree with this sentiment at all. but covid taught us there are more bad teachers out there than we previously thought.
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:48 pm to Hot Carl
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But the overwhelming attitudes in threads like these combined with the bi-monthly occurrences they rear their ugly, ignorant heads, have violently pushed me away from that profession. It’s just not worth it. Which again, I just want to point out, makes all this a self-fulfilling prophecy. Guess what? Demonizing teachers gets you demon teachers. How can parents not see the yin to that yang would be revering the profession would attract teachers worth of reverence?
For not having worked in the field, you are extremely intuitive and wise about it. Teaching is an absolutely brutal career. Unless you've actually done it, you could never know just how much so. Sadly, I've gone so far as to dissuade my own kid from entering the field.
People will go out of their way to denigrate teachers, but when those annual district scores come out, they're all about making sure their property values remain healthy. When they move to a new area, I'm sure they're checking the local school report cards. And when their kid enters school, they're all about fighting for placement with the best teachers for their kids.
Edit: From your subsequent posts, it looks like you were actually an educator at one point. Makes total sense.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 12:27 am
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:51 pm to Sun God
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That’s certainly a fair point about the relearning required after summer break
The bitching about vacations is superfluous on my part. School is about kids learning(sounds like a Kamala quote), but in all seriousness, that’s what’s most important and a 2.5 month break just isn’t conducive to learning. Again, not advocating for more days in the classroom, just more evenly spaced days.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:52 pm to FLTech
This is a funny thread
99% of parents don’t spend as much time around their kids as teachers. Now imagine that times 25. The current structure needs to change. 4 days a week and every 3 months take 3 weeks off, it would do wonders for school. The school system is burning students and teachers out. Teachers are like cops, there are some bad ones, but majority care. Every person in the world can point to a teacher that made an impact.
Half of tigerdroppings has never impacted another human during their job once
99% of parents don’t spend as much time around their kids as teachers. Now imagine that times 25. The current structure needs to change. 4 days a week and every 3 months take 3 weeks off, it would do wonders for school. The school system is burning students and teachers out. Teachers are like cops, there are some bad ones, but majority care. Every person in the world can point to a teacher that made an impact.
Half of tigerdroppings has never impacted another human during their job once
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:00 am to Rebel
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simmer down Carl. you getting all worked up.
You’re right, Reb. I need to. I haven’t taught school in a decade, and it’s Friday night not even 2 weeks removed from LSU winning the CWS for the 1st time in 14 fricking years. I go years without opening these threads, but my kids aren’t here, the Braves already won, I’m not in the middle of a streaming binge, and I can only post the same thing so many times about a couple of 20-year-olds in the transfer portal. So I caved. Against my much better judgment. But I’ve been here for 18+ years, so my judgment is questionable at best. But you’re one of the only handful of peeps that keeps me coming back. So thanks. Or frick you. Probably both.
And Norm’s hilarious. Thanks for linking that. But my point is certainly not that teachers are the real heroes. They’re not. A lot suck. Just that they could be if they were thought of correctly. It’s kind of like how I think about the Presidency. Nobody actually qualified to be a good president would want anything to do with being the President. With the stigma associated with being a teacher today and the negative language used to reinforce uniformed thoughts about them like in this very thread, forces anyone you’d actually want teaching your kids to run away from the profession screaming. The shouting down rings louder than the call.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:01 am to LSUButt
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Half of tigerdroppings has never impacted another human during their job once
One time a directional driller tried to punch me because I said he was a retard, does that count
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:02 am to Hot Carl
Good post, Carl.
I wouldn't even call that time off since they're not getting paid.
Exactly. People complaining think a teacher's job ends at 3pm. They still have to grade and prepare their lessons for the next day.
And because of this, I actively discourage people from becoming teachers. The job doesn't pay well, is very difficult, and is largely not respected. It's not worth it.
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) teachers don’t get 3 months off a year. It’s closer to 2, but the better ones are working all year.
I wouldn't even call that time off since they're not getting paid.
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teachers don’t work 8-3. Their days don’t end when the 7th period bell rings. Most stay at school till 4 or 5 and then work another 2-3 hours at home working on lesson plans or grading papers
Exactly. People complaining think a teacher's job ends at 3pm. They still have to grade and prepare their lessons for the next day.
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Because of 3, YOU vote down higher teacher pay, YOU stigmatize teachers as lazy whiners, which disincentives the people who would actually be really good teachers from pursuing that path as a career, which makes YOU responsible for for the self fulfilling prophecy of unqualified teachers becoming teachers.
And because of this, I actively discourage people from becoming teachers. The job doesn't pay well, is very difficult, and is largely not respected. It's not worth it.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:04 am to HerkFlyer
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School is about kids learning(sounds like a Kamala quote), but in all seriousness, that’s what’s most important and a 2.5 month break just isn’t conducive to learning. Again, not advocating for more days in the classroom, just more evenly spaced days.
I’m probably in the minority but summer break always seemed to help me academically
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:12 am to Hot Carl
I just don't want to see you misuse a word like "gorilla" and get yourself put in time out.
kick off is in less than 60 days.
kick off is in less than 60 days.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:12 am to LSUButt
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99% of parents don’t spend as much time around their kids as teachers. Now imagine that times 25.
Try 160... And every parent wants me to know every facet of Timmy's tiny little brain. Education begins at home. Read to your fricking spawn and they won't be illiterate when the hit the job market.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:12 am to Sun God
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I’m probably in the minority but summer break always seemed to help me academically
I don’t doubt a reset can be good for some, but my 8 year old is suddenly allergic to the worksheets my wife gives him during his summer break. He acts like we’re torturing him when she tries to get him to solve basic math problems and comprehend a few paragraphs.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:13 am to Sun God
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I’m probably in the minority but summer break always seemed to help me academically
There is a such thing as a "summer slide," but it affects lower socioeconomic kids most because of the dearth of learning going on outside of school during that time.
In the very least, schools at the lowest socioeconomic levels should be going "year round."
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:19 am to shutterspeed
That definitely makes sense
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:23 am to Rebel
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there needs to be a merit based system with goals and incentives.
Sounds good, doesn’t work. How do you quantify merit? Right now the goals and incentives are based on the results of standardized tests. It’s what get schools higher ratings, which gives the public ones more tax subsidies and grants, and the private ones more grants and bigger enrollments and longer waiting lists and higher tuitions. So, of course, teachers are taught to teach to the test. Which is merely rote memorization which doesn’t stick and is the lowest form of actual learning. True education is learning the ability to think logically, to think for yourself, to concoct an original idea and be able to effectively articulate it in a way others can understand it, empowered with the confidence to communicate it without fear of scorn, knowing that creative, and maybe unorthodox ideas, are welcomed and sometimes solutions not only to known problems, but ones in which you didn’t even know existed.
Yada, yada, yada, this conversation should matter, but it won’t, and it has exhausted the few remaining sane cells of my deteriorating brain. Ppppplllppppppplllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:53 am to Rebel
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I just don't want to see you misuse a word like "gorilla" and get yourself put in time out.
kick off is in less than 60 days.
Jesus Christ.
The collective memory of this….this…monster machine. So impressive while being simultaneously terrifying. This is at the same time why I keep coming back but should have run away screaming a decade ago. That happened in 2008 and, while admittedly in poor taste, was taken completely out of context. And though I have a couple friends in high places that I could have used to shorten my sentence, I took it like a man and wore it for a year.
Yet the day I come back, for an understandable offense committed in a fricking football game thread—amidst an 8-5 season right after a national championship one, no less—there is Max to remind me. And another 5 years go by and it’s BilJ. Decade later and my Tennessee Tiger trucker, my Walking in Memphis motherfricker, my feet 10 feet off of Beale Street brother from another mother….Et tu? Et tu, Rebel? Et tu, too? frick it, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Btw, I’m running on fricking fumes heading toward delirium.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:15 am to FLTech
Not a teacher defender but I can see an argument considering how teachers today have to attend and do so much other bullshite than just teach a M-F schedule like the ugly arse ones we had 40 yrs ago.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:32 am to WylieTiger
I think 4 10 hr days might be worth a try. But 4 8 hr days is stealing.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:47 am to Hot Carl
Hope you don't mind, but I just bookmarked your post to paste in all future teacher threads.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:25 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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It’s not the teachers that suck, it’s the administrators.
While a ton of admin do suck and are not qualified to manage people, they are stuck in impossible positions most of the time.
It's the politicians and school boards that have created the current situation that really suck. You can't tie funding to test scores and passing rates and not expect actual learning to take a nosedive.
Until no child behind goes away nothing will ever change.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:41 am to Oilfieldbiology
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School days should be shorter, not longer. Schools should also have mandatory outside recess and PE. Also, if students show lack of effort, parents should get in trouble. We need to incentivize kids giving a shite.
I agree with all this and also think kids should not have homework until high school. It’s more important for kids to get home and go play with their friends or be involved in sports or clubs than come home and have couple hours of assignments in middle and elementary school.
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