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re: Who was first? Clemson/LSU?

Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:30 pm to
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:30 pm to
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LSUshadoin

Yeah, nice logical response. You're a fricking idiot. Look it up for yourself.
Posted by LSUshad
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:41 pm to

hmmmmm.

If it's wiki, it true.

Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:49 pm to
Did that disprove the Clemson precedent? No, I don't believe it did.
Posted by SuperFan
Member since Nov 2008
547 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:50 pm to
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The grants were approved in 1811 and it all started there. The actual campus was built in 1874. Through those 60+ years traditions were developed including that of Death Valley.


They didn't really have football in 1874. I don't think they had a stadium then either.
Posted by SuperFan
Member since Nov 2008
547 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 1:55 pm to
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LSU started in New Orleans???



The civil war artillery unit which was referred to as "Lee's Tigers" or "Louisiana Tigers" is where our mascot came from. There were "Louisiana Tigers" before there was a school named
LSU.

The Louisiana Agricultural and Mechanical College was based in New Orleans, as well, before it merged with Louisiana State University.
Posted by SCTiger
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:01 pm to
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The civil war artillery unit which was referred to as "Lee's Tigers" or "Louisiana Tigers" is where our mascot came from. There were "Louisiana Tigers" before there was a school named

I know of the civil war unit. I thought they were Zouves (rifle unit I think). I think Stonewall Jackson commented that 'look at Beauregards(I think it was PGT) unit they fight like tigers." And thus they started going by the La tigers, I believe other units started using the moniker as well.
My question about LSU starting at NO was a lame attempt at sarcasm. I did not know until today that the A&M school started in NO and was seperate from LSU until they merged. LIB!
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 2:56 pm to
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I thought LSU started in Pineville?


At the current site of the VA hospital in Pineville, to be exact.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 3:19 pm to
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1860


as the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning and Military Academy (le Lycee Scientifique et Militaire de l'Etat de la Louisiane), intended to be a school patterned on the United States Military Academy (West Point). (then Colonel) William T. Sherman was the first superintendent. My wife's 4th or 5th Great Grandfather was the one of the first professors hired, Antony Vallas. He and Sherman were the only anti-succession/anti-slavery members of the faculty (Sherman being a Yankee and Vallas being a foreigner). After the first year of operation, the bitter unpleasantness began. Vallas briefly acted as Superintendent until Colonel George Lay was hired. The school tried to operate in Pineville through 1863, during the unpleasantness, but the yankees' Red River campaign forced closure in April of 1863.

After the war classes resumed at Pineville, but the Pineville campus burned in 1869, and the school moved to Baton Rouge. (Louisiana A&M College was originally opened in New Orleans in 1874 - LSU and Louisiana A&M would merge to form the current institution in 1876 & 1877).

Our beloved University has a rich history. More tidbits can be found here:

LINK


Posted by SuperFan
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 4:28 pm to
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The school tried to operate in Pineville through 1863, during the unpleasantness, but the yankees' Red River campaign forced closure in April of 1863.



"The unpleasantness" - you mean the war? Hadn't the war already started by then? Were they training Union or Confederate officers at the time?



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(April 23) Seminary closes after invasion of Red River Valley by Federal forces under Gen. Banks. Military equipment donated to Confederate Army, but library and other items destroyed by order of Gen. T. Kirby Smith of the U. S. Army. Structure saved thanks to Gen. W. T. Sherman.


Why would the Federal troops donate military equipment to the Confederate Army
This post was edited on 11/21/08 at 4:31 pm
Posted by JIMBLAST
Dallas
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 5:20 pm to
I hate that General Sherman was the first. Bastid!
Posted by JIMBLAST
Dallas
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/21/08 at 5:26 pm to
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Yeah, nice logical response. You're a fricking idiot. Look it up for yourself.


Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 5:33 pm to
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The school tried to operate in Pineville through 1863, during the unpleasantness, but the yankees' Red River campaign forced closure in April of 1863.


I had to chuckle at "during the unpleasantness." I haven't heard the civil war years referred to as that in years.
Posted by SNAKE
Lafayette/Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
705 posts
Posted on 11/21/08 at 11:44 pm to
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Sorry douche. The actual "death valley" was found in 1906 out west, while LSU was founded in 1811. Death Valley in B.R. came along one year after in 1812.


Not only was LSU founded in 1860 ( not 1811 ) ,
but the state of Louisiana didn't come into existence til 1812 ! Almost as bad your post is that none of the respondents noticed this glaring error . You're just makin this crap up !
This post was edited on 11/22/08 at 12:07 am
Posted by Edawik
Westerly, RI
Member since Aug 2006
187 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 2:17 am to
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I hate that General Sherman was the first. Bastid!


There is actually a little memorial dedicated to William T. Sherman on the present day LSU campus. Not many people know where it is, but when I bring people to the LSU campus I point it out. Mostly because most people dont realize that the villian of the war of nothern aggression had ties to the south.
Posted by BengalRaider90
Schofield Barracks, Wahiawa, HI
Member since Sep 2004
359 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 3:55 am to
My ring says 1860.
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3477 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 4:31 am to
Louisiana "Tigers"

Where did the nickname come from?

Major Chatham Roberdeau Wheat:

LINK

Commander 1st Special Louisiana Infantry Battalion

In 1861 Major Wheat hearing the call of the guns once again, left Italy where he was in service with Giuseppe Garibaldi to come back to his adopted home of Louisiana to from a unit for service of the state.

His unit was formed around a corps of Walker, and Cuban veterans; who had saw service in those small wars. Major Wheat had been a Captain in the Mexican War, appointed Captain once again by Walker, then Colonel by Narciso Lopez and finally Brigadier General Juan Álvarez.

Major Wheat’s unit was a small Battalion with the nucleus of the following companies:

The Walker Guards company A

Old Dominion Guards company E/D

The Tiger Rifles company B

The Delta Rangers company C

To which was quickly added:

The Rough and Ready Rangers E

The Catahoula Guerrillas company D

It’s the Tiger Rifles that the unit got its name, as that unit wore a very easy to spot uniform on the field of battle (see link):

LINK

I have Major Wheat’s autograph in my collection, he was burred by David French Boyd and Col Stafford and 6 of his Tigers, after he was killed in battle.

David French Boyd’s brother is Thomas Boyd both head of LSU at one time.
Posted by papa puff
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/22/08 at 5:02 am to
blueboy you know most LSU fans are dumb arse people. LOL
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 11/22/08 at 6:44 am to
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intended to be a school patterned on the United States Military Academy (West Point).


My guess would be VMI, not West Point.

"The supervisors focused on the two schools of greatestest interest to the board-Virginia Military Institute, with its military tradition, and the University of Virginia, which took a more classical approach to education. Once determining its direction, the board could then seek suitable candidates for its first president of the faculty.

By the second meeting in May 1859, the board had heard from the two Virginia colleges. Board members were split over which model to adopt. But Graham favored VMI, and, with the governor's backing, he prevailed."

Source: Under Stately Oaks, A Pictorial History of LSU. Louisiana State University Press 2002

Under Stately Oaks

This book is a "must read" for all interested in the history of LSU. It is published by our own LSU Press!

LSU Press
This post was edited on 11/22/08 at 6:52 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89677 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 12:00 pm to
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My guess would be VMI, not West Point.



The official history now says VMI. However, the hiring of Sherman as first superintendent was much more likely to make it more West Point than VMI. I seem to remember some of Sherman's writings and indicated as such. Anyway, toMAYto, toMAHto...
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89677 posts
Posted on 11/22/08 at 12:05 pm to
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Why would the Federal troops donate military equipment to the Confederate Army


I was confused by the reference to a "T. Kirby Smith", as a USA General myself. Certainly from 1863 and after, CSA General "E. Kirby Smith" was one of, if not the, senior confederate generals west of the Mississippi. The Confederate Kirby Smith is of course the namesake of the residence hall at LSU. The fact that he would try to deprive union forces of property makes more sense than the reference at the LSU Library webpage.
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