re: Now THIS is a very convincing Trump Ad

I am in no way defending Faucci - I think Faucci should be executed. But, I am defending the fact that Faucci was a fricking scientist who Trump trusted to give him the correct suggestions on how to handle COVID. I do fault Trump for that but it is not 10000000% Trump's fault like you haters claim it to be.

Will I vote for Trump? YES, will I vote for DeSatis? YES, but unlike some of you people, I am not going to talk shite about DeSantis to divide even more. I am going to support both of them. Currently, as I have stated in numerous threads, I am in favor of Trump because I have seen him in action doing very good things fot this country. I feel he has learned the SWAMP. I also feel that if he becomes President - he will go Scortch Earth on every loony swamp creature in DC, which I feel I have a right as an American to see that happen.

Play golf and enjoy life? He is a 70 plus year old man who has played plenty of golf in his life.

This isn't a time to be enjoying life when society in America is failing at a rapid pace.

I don't give a damn about his last year in office when I'm financially hurting and that bastard dead brain is still in the oval office.

But of course the system is set up with fraud and no one can challenge the Dems that is a threat to them.

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He gave him a fricking award before he left office.

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Again, you have to expand your horizons on that and not immediately take the harshest position possible against Trump from the jump. Trump gave the same awards to anyone directly involved with Warpspeed. It was nothing specific to Fauci exclusively.

Trump was and still is proud of that historic accomplishment, which I don’t blame him on, but common sense dictates that he didn’t do it on his own. He wanted to memorialize the accomplishment, honestly so, by recognizing all parties who played a role in what, again, he touts as his huge achievement.

I guess he could’ve openly snubbed Fauci by giving the entire “team” the “participation award” but not him - but how childish that truly would’ve been. But again, Fauci did not receive some sort of individualized award of merit.

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No , the media and left created the Fauci cult of personality. How has their devious involvement escaped you in this particular case? The devilish MSM and left were behind nearly every problem within the problem that we had. And in that episode they did intentionally build up Fauci to disgusting levels, precisely to f*uck with Trump and to hamper his efforts and damage his ability to act, and of course yes to damage his credibility. So being reminded of that terrible problem, perhaps that helps put into perspective what was going on behind the scenes, when it looked outwardly to the public that Trump was dicking around and making bad decisions.

Ultimately Trump ran him an old fashioned cost/benefit analysis regarding to fire or not to fire, and not to fire, while not producing any benefit, bottom line was it carried the least cost - even if that didn’t or doesn’t make all the sense in the world in its face. It could and would make sense but requires a deeper dig and willingness to give Trump the benefit of the doubt for just a few minutes.

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I think a lot of you folks want it both ways. Either Trump was President or not. Either he had responsibility or he didn't. Fauci worked for him but TRUMP is the one who chose to elevate him to the status that he did. The commercial I created this thread shows the exact problem. TRUMP decided to stand behind Fauci as the expert and trust him to the point where he wanted credit for listening to him and doing whatever he told him.

What else could Trump have done? He could have done what DeSantis did. DeSantis did his own reading and research. He asked questions. He made sure that his Surgeon General didn't say a damn thing to the public without his knowledge and he literally pulled him out of the middle of a PC when he went off script and never let him in front of a microphone again until he fired his arse and hired someone much better. DeSantis took MASSIVE heat for defying Fauci and he stuck to his guns.

Trump lost me as well because the original plan was "2 Weeks to Slow the Spread". There was no stopping the virus but we were going to take 2 weeks to pause and prepare. The problem was it was going to take guts to re-open after that 2 weeks. Many people said we should but Trump stuck with Fauci like a security blanket. Then 2 weeks became another 2 weeks, and on and on.

The next HUGE mistake Trump made was letting Fauci convince him that we could make a vaccine and Trump would get all the credit for Operation Warp Speed and saving everyone. It was just too tempting for Trump to pass up and he went all in. He owned it big time. He went out and authorized everything having to do with it from skipping steps with the FDA to giving immunity to Big Pharma to writing them a blank check with no strings. He wanted to have that big W for being able to say he got this vaccine in record time.

Of course Trump was duped on all of this stuff but he got himself in way too deep. Somewhere in there he couldn't turn back because the Media made Fauci into a god and they were scaring the hell out of everyone. Trump had no leverage and started holding solo PC's where he rambled about everything and got into fights with reporters who were all too willing to get the soundbytes Trump gave him.

The fundamental problem goes back to the beginning though. Trump didn't vet Fauci. Hell anyone that watched "Dallas Buyers Club" and has a lick of common sense knows that Fauci had been doing the same crap going back to AIDS and AZT. HE was the evil government force behind all that and more. Trump didn't vet him though. He didn't get his own guys that he could trust that weren't career bureaucrats and WE paid the price.

I'm sorry if bringing up facts and history triggers so many of you. I don't know why you think that Trump is our only choice and everyone needs to shut up and get in line and stop asking questions or pointing out facts. That's what Democrats do. Let's have an open and honest debate about it and pick the best guy.

Also, Trump absolutely started the negativity and has gotten very personal and is lying actively while running to DeSantis LEFT on the issues they defer on. He and his son wanted to also call off the Bud Light boycott and is trying take Disney's side on the most important battle we have going in terms of keeping corporate power in pushing Woke ideology. Trump is playing rough and dirty like he always does. Fine, but don't whine and cry foul when he gets hit back in the mouth not by DeSantis (who hasn't even uttered Trump's name in weeks) but by his supporters.

Sorry but no, this doesn't work that way. Trump isn't entitled to the nomination and he needs to earn it. I'll vote for him if he wins even if he has active influencers saying that DeSantis is worse than Biden and DeSantis needs to be completely destroyed to make an example out of him. Why? He is still 100x better than Biden. I still don't see a path for him though since he enjoys crapping on the Independent and women voters he needs to get the W. Hell he is so undisciplined he STILL is making fun of McCain in his new book even though he MUST win Arizona to have a shot.

BTW, I don't see DeSantis as some god either. These people work for us and not the other way around. They all need to be held accountable just like any employee and fired if they don't do their job.

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The question is why is all this Fauci discussion relevant to the 24 election?

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Because Trump hasn’t changed. That’s what a lot of people love about him; I’ve heard it repeated here often.

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The question is why is all this Fauci discussion relevant to the 24 election?

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Because if DeSantis gets to the General Election he can run on Covid policy all day long. He can talk about how Biden pushed mandates and shutdowns. He can talk about how he fought him to open Florida and had millions move their to freedom. It's a great issue and it's a CROSSOVER issue that will bring Independent voters that may not like everything about DeSantis but they Covid policy really pissed them off. DeSantis can show video after video of him denouncing Fauci and fighting with him while Biden glorified Fauci for sainthood even though he told massive verifiable lies.

Trump can try but he really can't run on Covid or Fauci though because of receipts like the ad at the beginning of this. Even to this day Trump has never shown concerns about the vaccine and he wants credit for Operation Warp Speed. The issue is at best neutral for him and at worst a negative. Is it fair? No, but in the end the MSM will fight him and Trump is a crap communicator on complex topics. DeSantis is not as exciting but he can go chapter and verse on Covid policy and give a brief but detailed analysis on a dime while Trump is looking for a zinger.

If we are going to win we have to get some of the 13% of Independents that voted for Biden back. It's about winning otherwise all the rest is lost.

Don’t know which Trump I prefer.
Victim Trump, Scared Trump, or I was duped Trump.