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Political Views of Pledge of Allegiance Author Francis Bellamy

Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:12 pm
Copy/pasted from Wikipedia
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Bellamy was a Christian socialist,[1] who "championed 'the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.'"[6] In 1891, Bellamy was "forced from his Boston pulpit for preaching against the evils of capitalism",[3] and eventually stopped attending church altogether after moving to Florida, reportedly because of the racism he witnessed there.[7] Francis's career as a preacher ended because of his tendency to describe Jesus as a socialist. In the 21st century, Bellamy is considered an early American democratic socialist.[8]

Bellamy was a leader in the public education movement, the nationalization movement, and the Christian socialist movement. He united his grassroots network to start a collective memory activism in 1892.[9]

French philosopher Henri de Saint-Simon's "new Christianity", which stressed using science to tackle poverty, influenced Bellamy and many of the "new St. Simonians." They saw nationalization (de-privatization) and public education as the policy solutions.[9]

In 1889, Bellamy served as founding vice president and wrote several articles for the Society of Christian Socialists, a grassroots organization founded in Boston. The newspaper Dawn was run by his cousin Edward and Frances Willard. Francis Bellamy wrote about the Golden Rule and quoted Bible passages that denounced greed and lust for money. He was also chairman of the education committee.[9]

Bellamy offered public education classes with topics such as "Jesus the socialist", "What is Christian Socialism?", and "Socialism versus anarchy". In 1891, Bellamy was asked to write down this last lecture, which called for a strong government and argued that only the socialist economy could allow both the worker and the owner to practice the golden rule. This essay, along with public relations experience, allowed him to coordinate a massive Columbus Day campaign.


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Curious you don’t see people boycotting the pledge of allegiance over this.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by ksayetiger
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:25 pm to
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Wikipedia


I don't believe anything on that shot website.

Nothing.

Unless I cam back it from somewhere else
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:26 pm to
Whatever his economic beliefs, he still pledged allegiance.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:28 pm to
People often erroneously characterize Jesus as a socialist because he helped the poor and told his disciples to do the same. But, Jesus never advocated for the state or government to force this giving. It was always on a voluntary bases and not mandated by law.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:33 pm to
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Curious you don’t see people boycotting the pledge of allegiance over this.


It could be the same reason people don't boycott flowers because compost is made from feces or they don't boycott the interstate system because it's based off Hitler's works in Nazi Germany.

His work didn't promote his socialist agenda (even though that was likely his goal), instead it helped nurture support for the Republic. The Republic is built on a capitalist system, thus his creation actually ended up working contrary to his personal views.

It could also be that his Pledge isn't the one we say. LINK

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In February, however, simmering doubts about the oath’s origin resurfaced. A New York history buff discovered a newspaper account that appears to contradict Bellamy’s.

The discovery may also vindicate a longstanding but disputed claim that the oath actually originated in 1890 when a 13-year-old Kansas schoolboy — remarkably named Frank E. Bellamy — said he submitted it to a contest that was organized by Francis Bellamy’s own magazine to promote American values such as patriotism.

In February, Barry Popik, a historian and lexicographer who had been researching the pledge’s origin, was stunned to find a clipping on newspapers.com from the Ellis County News Republican of Hays, Kan., dated May 21, 1892.

The article described a school ceremony several weeks earlier, on April 30, 1892 — more than three months before Francis Bellamy swore he wrote the pledge -— in which high school students in Victoria, Kan., swore allegiance to the American flag using virtually the same words.


And now this footnote...

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Their goals were patriotic and promotional: To enlist students in the anniversary celebration; to help Americanize the flood of immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe; to heal still-festering sectional divisions widened by the Civil War; and to sell off the overstock of United States flags that Bellamy had ordered as marketing director of Youth’s Companion, which had sponsored a campaign to “float a flag over every schoolhouse” in the nation.


For a socialist, he certainly took advantage of capitalism when it suited him.
Posted by klrstix
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Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:39 pm to
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People often erroneously characterize Jesus as a socialist because he helped the poor and told his disciples to do the same. But, Jesus never advocated for the state or government to force this giving. It was always on a voluntary bases and not mandated by law.




In fact, Jesus is quoted as saying.."the poor you have with you always..."

Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:40 pm to
1) wiki is trash for libtards

2) the church nor bible anywhere teaches what economic system to run OR to depend on government

3) giving is to be of free will not mandated by government

christian socialist??

Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

For a socialist, he certainly took advantage of capitalism when it suited him.



The leaders always do
Posted by FreeTiger
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:52 pm to
INDIVISIBLE

I never say indivisible. It should not be there.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:56 pm to
I do think we're seeing some orthodox Christians back off their loyalty to capitalism. That's not to say they endorse socialism as a better system, but likely more an inherent understanding and acknowledgement of the flaws of all human systems and that neither capitalism nor socialism are - in and of themselves - right or just.

I know I sound like a broken record, but you just can't have meaningful conversations on this stuff when talking about systems to govern 350m people. We know socialism will not work well. Capitalism is obviously limited too.

But what about in a town of 10,000 people? Are conservative Christians to be inherently against socialism or a social democracy style of governance in that scenario?
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 12:58 pm to
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trash for libtards


Perfect for OP.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:04 pm to
The pledge of allegiance is creepy as frick.

Can't believe more of my right wing brethren don't understand this.

Posted by Cajun75
Member since Mar 2022
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:24 pm to
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People often erroneously characterize Jesus as a socialist because he helped the poor and told his disciples to do the same. But, Jesus never advocated for the state or government to force this giving. It was always on a voluntary bases and not mandated by law.


THIS X 1000
Posted by CleverUserName
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:29 pm to
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Copy/pasted from Wikipedia


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Curious you don’t see people boycotting the pledge of allegiance over this.


Or can the left now be satisfied and stand and say it loudly and proudly?

Not so much of a gotcha now is it?

Posted by jrobic4
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:30 pm to
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Hugo Stiglitz


Do you, Tarzana, and TigerDoc Post on different days so that none has to compete for the title of "board's worst poster"
Posted by xxGEAUXxx
minneapolis
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:37 pm to
Socialism in the 1800’s was much different than todays socialism. People like you and lazy people want socialism for the free stuff. Enjoy knowing a singular man broke you in 4 years.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:38 pm to
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Francis's career as a preacher ended because of his tendency to describe Jesus as a socialist.

In a perfect world where greed did not exist and EVERYONE was willing to work as hard as the hardest worker among them, socialism theoretically would work. A million Jesuses, free of sin, greed and selfishness, would thrive wonderfully.

This world is not that world.

25% of the world wants to actually work for their keep. 10% of that 25% are willing to go above and beyond. 75% of the world would gladly stop working for anything altogether if their "basic needs" were provided by their government. This faction would trade their inherent liberties for (the illusion of) security.

That is the world we actually live in. That's why socialism by modern definition will ALWAYS fail in this current version of our world.
Posted by DawgRebelinAL
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:40 pm to
I've never liked the 'Pledge'. It's an odd thing for a republic to require and I loathe the part about a federation of states being 'indivisible' being slightly absurd.
Posted by Schleynole
Member since Sep 2022
1417 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:42 pm to
It's a socialist pledge. I've pissed off or at least surprised people for decades about my opinion on this especially placing your hand over your heart. That seems too much like worshiping the golden calf, paying the state more reverence than God.
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