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Future Housing Bubble?

Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:27 am
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:27 am
Yale Climate Connection

The idea here is that lots of property is tremendously overvalued because of its location. If property and flood insurance become either too expensive or nonexistent the values of the homes will plummet. I can say some of the things mentioned here are things people in Monroe County, Florida are experiencing. Some of the places mentioned are places that saw huge booms in real estate purchases in the last two years. Particularly Arizona and Florida.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58518 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:53 am to
There’s never going to be a big correction where houses are affordable again, they’re gonna keep going up like everything else


If you try to sell a house you’re going to have to sell for a loss though. They call it brandonomics and Obama won the Nobel prize for it
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61304 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:55 am to
There will be a housing correction(some have been saying this for 5 years now), but outside of a few areas, I doubt it’s anything real bad like 2008.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 11:59 am to
Next step for ESG rating is water wings edging the foundation
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:07 pm to
We’re still several years away from adequate inventory levels. Existing Home prices may not exponentially increase like they have the last 3 years, but should rather stabilize, and still increase, albeit at a lower rate.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15848 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 12:26 pm to
I think what many people are forgetting about FL is that a lot of people moved from states that had housing that was higher. So spending more to buy a house here was easier for them and they still had money left over. People are moving here in record numbers. This nowhere near 2008 not even close. Many are not moving with mortgages at 3% and all these new folks are willing to spend top dollar to live here. Dont see a bubble here as long as people are flocking here with tons of cash. Same could be said for TX, TN etc.. Now when your spending top dollar for a house in Louisiana , ok , Iowa etc... then i could see a bubble in locations like that.
This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 12:37 pm
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 4/10/23 at 2:07 pm to
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I think what many people are forgetting about FL is that a lot of people moved from states that had housing that was higher.


See also: Texas, Colorado, Utah and Idaho.

Depending on location, I think we're going to need to see 30yr rates stick above 6-7% for a while longer (and likely need to go higher) to start generating enough of a surplus to make a difference.

What would be interesting to see is if this pushes gentrification more (and where).
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3143 posts
Posted on 4/10/23 at 2:20 pm to
The article’s central claim is that places prone to flooding or hurricanes are currently overvalued and that property insurances and flood insurances are going to reach a point where these properties are only good for all cash purposes. The value will drop and people will need to find places that have more stable environmental conditions.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11074 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:31 am to
quote:

Existing Home prices may not exponentially increase like they have the last 3 years, but should rather stabilize, and still increase, albeit at a lower rate.


This. People don't want to hear it but I don't think the prices of anything are going to go down significantly.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
6073 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 5:00 pm to
I am seeing this happen in New Orleans right now. I have had multiple clients this year back out of home purchases when the get an insurance quote. I have seen 8k-9k quotes on homes that are 400k. If the home isnt new construction the quotes are outragous right now in the new orleans area.
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
Member since Oct 2020
3900 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:46 pm to
That will NEVER be the case whether you are talking about stocks, housing, whatever... there will always be booms and busts because of the politics of DC spending / policies, and the FED always not getting it right.

"There’s never going to be a big correction where houses are affordable again, they’re gonna keep going up like everything else "
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
Member since Oct 2020
3900 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:50 pm to
There was low inventory in recent years and prices were depressed... in 2012 were inventories low? What about 2015? Same? Yep and you could have bought up houses at a big discount to today.

There will be opportunities to get depressed prices again ... but I cannot tell you when. More likely the next crash will be in commercial real estate. I ponder some of that property being converted to rental properties, which should bring rents down in apartments, which should cause lower house prices.

"We’re still several years away from adequate inventory levels. Existing Home prices may not exponentially increase like they have the last 3 years, but should rather stabilize, and still increase, albeit at a lower rate."
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 8:59 pm
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
Member since Oct 2020
3900 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:56 pm to
Right now, developers are lowering prices via buying down via mortgages. They are trying not to lower their prices - price corruption... but already seeing that.

What happens with inflation in the coming months will ultimately determine if housing prices continue up, moderate, or go down. The 2/10 inverted yield curve has predicted EVERY recession since WWII ... about 75 years. So, unless this is the first time it has been wrong... I expect prices to actually drop when the recession hits... depends on how bad ... or not bad ... the unemployment rate gets.

People were saying the same thing in 2006.

"This. People don't want to hear it but I don't think the prices of anything are going to go down significantly. "
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11074 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 4:16 am to
There’s been a contingent on here that have been predicting doom and gloom for housing market since at least 2018 when I first started lurking here before I joined. People in 2018 were saying “these prices aren’t sustainable!!!!!!!” Well here we are 5 years later and market hasn’t ‘crashed’ and has gone up exponentially.

Nobody is saying prices are going to keep skyrocketing most are saying prices will remain stable and slight increase so instead of yearly 18%-22% increases like we have seen it will just be 5%-7% increases of course this depends on your local market. Also, price reductions of $10k on already all time high prices isn’t a big deal. If they ever get inflation under control lower rates are just going to cause another spike in home buying like we saw recently. The people wishcasting for a crash on here have been wrong for years now and can’t be taken seriously at this point. It simply hasn’t happened.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
10257 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 6:29 am to
I don’t disagree but just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it won’t.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11074 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 7:56 am to
quote:

I don’t disagree but just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it won’t.



Of course it will eventually. People who have been saying this for 5 years will eventually be right. They won't get a special award for that. Prices go up and they go down. That's real estate. There isn't a soul on here who knows when there will be a big correction or a crash. Predicting this every year doesn't make someone a sage.
Posted by Marcus Aurelius
LA
Member since Oct 2020
3900 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 10:19 am to
Again ... same talk in 2004 to 2008. Again, there were shortages of houses 2011 to 2017. Y'all seem to think Employment will stay below 4% forever. It is not just the inflation rate. People don't buy homes when they don't have a job.

Don't think there can be a bust? Just watch what JB and company continue to do ... even with credit tightening, find ways for people who should not be buying homes, get them.
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